I think religious freedom is a form of human rights, but human rights are also broadly measured in terms of access to education and health. These are not Western values, they're universal values. China's current challenge is what is the ethical code? What is the moral foundation of society given that religion, the Chinese philosophy, was underpinning this; now there's a lot of active church activities going on underground. The sensible way of looking at the future is pragmatic. I used to think the British were pragmatic. I've given up that idea. Thank you.