Veve cananda was so shocking to people here in the late nineteenth century. In one place, he tells this gentleman, i have not come here to teach you how to go to heaven. He has come here to tell you how to stop going to heaven. We want freedom from the cycle of birth and death,. Not a not a nice er ino cycle ofbirth and death, nice births and nice places in heaven. But this er, the idea that there that multiple heavens are there, which are attainable by good carma. They are also temporary, and after that, you again come back. All those things are given up by the spiritual seeker. E.g., we