I must have had. And Scott Rogel was a writer for fake magazine. In those days, not owned by Llewellen publications as it is today, but owned by the Fuller's. And there's a married couple who founded the magazine and published it. It was an interesting newsrag sort of about the psychics and supported it all gushingly, of course, otherwise it couldn't have functioned and survived. So the Scott Rogel who wrote most of their articles for them, their featured articles was a great believer and had a lot invested in it too, because without a psychic world, he didn't exist. He was out of business. So he wanted to promote that and he did shamelessly. But Scott Rogel was going to interview me at this presychological association convention. I was invited to speak briefly for them, very briefly for them. And when I was backstage, we allowed him to see me with the two kids sitting at a conference table over in the corner and laughing and slapping our thighs and whatnot. And so Scott Rogel got the idea. Wait a minute, maybe he's in cahoots with these two kids. And we found him the found out later that he had then gone to Marcello and Marcello said, yes, yes, I heard that. And of course that got to Philip's right away. So what Phillips did, and I've got copies of both papers, he had all the way issued his paper that he was going to read at the at the PA conference. And it shamelessly just directly endorsed the alpha kids as genuine. Yeah, no question. And that's and that's how you got the original paper, right? Yeah, you'd given it to Sean Edward, just so they would be able to write that's right. And so then Steve Shaw was able to get a copy of the relies paper as they were going to actually present it at the PA conference. Yeah, and it was full of modifiers. It said he's purportedly psychic children, instead of these psychic children. And they claim that so and so know, they say that so and so well, you see, these things were all modified now, they changed a lot of adjectives and adverbs and put in little sentences that more or less said, which is possibly true, instead of which is undeniably true. Yeah, they just changed the language of it, which also scientifically leads to gigantic holes. Of course, of course. Well, we have questions. Why don't you test them? Now this did not please the parapsychologists, because they're looking for something positive. They've always and to this day, they're still looking for some proof of it for a while to them.