In this episode, Carson Gross joins Carter and Nathan to discuss his book Hypermedia Systems Join them as Carson reflects on the process of publishing the book, the development of HTMX, and how to deal with setbacks!
John Ousterhout and Bob Martin Conversationhttps://github.com/johnousterhout/aposd-vs-clean-code
Fixi.js (a new project from Carson Gross)https://github.com/bigskysoftware/fixi
Triptych - New Attributes for HTML
https://github.com/alexpetros/triptychHTMXhttps://htmx.org/-- Books Mentioned in this Episode --Note: As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.----------------------------------------------------------Hypermedia Systemshttps://amzn.to/4iou43T (Paid Link)Philosophy of
Software Design by John Ousterhouthttps://amzn.to/4bEVMHp (Paid Link)
The Master and Margarita: 50th-Anniversary Edition by Mikhail Bulgakov
https://amzn.to/3R1pzR3 (Paid Link)
Worse is Better (essay)https://www.dreamsongs.com/WorseIsBetter.html
No Silver Bullet
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00:00 Intro
01:47 What Inspired you to write Hypermedia Systems
07:37 Challenging Assumptions, Hypermedia, Javascript, and Worse is Better
13:51 Roy Fielding, REST, HATEOAS and mispronouncing things.
16:15 What is the most surprising outcome of writing Hypermedia Systems?
19:42 Creating fixi.js
28:32 Discussing Progressive Enhancement, Triptych, and Browser Standards
35:40 Dealing with Setbacks and Success
41:01 No Silver Bullet, and the Ousterhout and Martin debate
50:00 What if No HTMX? Hypercard
56:11 Tool chains, debuggers, and developer expectations
01:01:29 Final Thoughts
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