When you were younger, I thought that I wanted to be a carpenter or a cabinet maker. So I knew that he couldn't really make a living as a cabinet maker in New York City. So I thought, maybe I'll become an architect. And of course, I met real architects and realized, oh, that's not what real architects really do unless you are much, much older and much more powerful. It didn't even occur to me. Which is really weird. But I love that. I wanted to make things.