The Difference Between Seeking Leisure and Numbing Out

In this chapter, the speakers discuss the concept of seeking leisure versus dissociating or numbing out. They explore the temptations to engage in activities that aren't actually leisurely and reflect on the importance of being present and fully engaged. The chapter also delves into the idea of being in 'the zone' versus being under a spell and the effort it takes to reach a state of deep focus and presence.