What Are the Winner Conditions?

I watch, for example, what Stephen Fry and Jordan Peterson have a debate about God recently. And I thought they both come from such a large pool. There was actually some smart arguments. At the end of it, I realized that one had simple thoughts explained with complexity. And the other had complex ideas explained with simplicity. So if you're a group of humans to do something, you explain to them, this is why I think we need to be here by then. If you can explain that rationally to people, you now have a victory condition. You now say, great, that is what we as a group are playing for. What I want is everybody to bring their unique ideas