Intro

Eric and Mick discuss UFOs and the evidence behind them.

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LINKS MENTIONED:

- Mick's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MickWest

- Crash Course on Physics by Curt: https://youtu.be/e8kyvdPP8os

- The Portal (Eric's podcast): https://www.youtube.com/EricWeinsteinPhD

- The Tales From the Rabbit Hole (Mick's podcast): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tales-from-the-rabbit-hole/id1462120258

- Need to Know (Ross Coulthart's podcast with Zabel): https://www.youtube.com/BryceZabel and https://needtoknow.today/

TIMESTAMPS:

00:00:00 Introduction

00:03:12 What does Mick respect about Eric?

00:04:20 What does Eric respect about Mick?

00:05:24 What does Curt respect about each

00:06:55 Skeptic vs. Debunker (Mick... which are you?)

00:09:32 Salutary role of skepticism and Eric's thoughts on Mick

00:14:53 The "woo" that's concomitant with UFO research

00:19:00 UFO research isn't a "hobby"

00:23:34 Mick's "agenda" (or non-agenda)

00:25:19 There's no convincing data on UFOs available to the public

00:30:58 The "superposition" argument: Exotic explanations that Mick entertains

00:35:03 Where is the evidence?

00:36:28 Outlying data points matter

00:40:07 Some debunkers stifle the UFO community, but not all debunkers

00:43:34 What's the disagreement between Eric and Mick

00:45:50 Mick has changed his mind about UFOs

00:50:38 CE5 and invitations to Skin Walker (would Mick / Eric go?)

00:53:26 Cattle mutilation? Remote viewing?

01:06:14 Classifying different UFO craft

01:07:31 Why are there so many sober UFO witnesses?

01:09:22 Brandon Fugal's story

01:16:46 UFOs as "technology" vs. "new physics"

01:23:37 The secret history of anti-gravity research with Lefschetz and DeWitt

01:30:58 What terrene explanations are left?

01:41:26 Eric's "sighting" in 1988...

01:44:57 The Skin Walker TV show doesn't help the stigma

01:46:30 Does Brandon have any high quality data points he's not releasing?

01:47:45 Opinions on Bob Lazar

01:48:52 The opprobrium because of stigma is too much. Most can't handle it.

01:51:45 Clearing the air: the Twitter squabble between Eric and Mick

01:54:11 The opprobrium thrown at people who have first hand accounts (continued)

01:58:46 Defending claims made without physical evidence

02:03:05 Some conspiracies are real

02:07:56 Rectifying the ridicule in ufology (from both sides)

02:21:41 What does Eric think should happen, to precipitate disclosure?

02:24:48 What does Mick think should happen, to precipitate disclosure?

02:27:21 Eric asks Curt: "What do you want to see happen?"

02:33:32 Is it so improbable we're visited? If it was us, we would visit other species.

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