I've been very involved in what's called the evidence-based movement and development, which has been around for some two decades or so. And basically just tries to subject all sorts of ideas in the development space to randomize the evaluations to figure out what works and what doesn't work in development. So that kind of idea, you can really test any kind of micro intervention using randomized evaluation. But one thing that's become increasingly clear, I don't want to speak for the movement, but certainly increasingly clear to me and to my colleagues is this translation from biomedical to poverty isn't super clean.

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