Speaker 2
So, i mean, the first these elements of holy madness that you that you taught em em you know, the first oneii is truth telling. Butou you're not what you're saying there, ad and in the in the biblical contacts and the theological contest, you're not, you're not. You know, i think in this culture we've equated truth telling with fact telling, and then it becomes a battle between our competing facts. But you tark at truth telling, which is something, which is a different move. I mean, what you no, you tell you tell us. You told a story to illustrate that em a woman walking in the market place, right? Do you know thes sor of tim when her teacher called to her and said, have you looked at the sky to day? She looks up for the first time and remembers that she's made for something more than trading in the market place. That's a different way to talk about the truth, the gravity and the expansiveness of the truth. We're called to then, i think we meen hat we often debate in our society as truth telling. Ye,
Speaker 1
i think in that, in that story and and in many traditions, truth is really the search for truth. It's not primarily about facts and data. We need facts and data, and, you know, that's been an endangered species in many ways for a while too. But there's a certain way of opening up to a larger perspective in saying, i need to reflect, and i need to challenge my assumptions. I need to become aware of my assumptionsand, and this is a big part of my own experience as a student. You know, the best things i've ever learned, we're not content. They were some sort of contrast with some one else's way. Of thinking that at first seemed really strange to me, that i allowed in, that i allowed to question me. And i, through that process, became aware of my own assumptions in the lens through which i was looking. And i think a lot about that metaphor of the lens. That story is about looking down, or looking up at the sky, and paying attention to material things, or paying attention to a bigger ppect, and being reminded of that. And by the way, that's a specific practice also in and certain hasitic traditions, is literally to look at the sky, eerelevning. Yes, ye. There's, there's an idea that you receive consciousness from looking at the sky. So i think, on a very simple level, on a psychological level, it reminds you that the world is big, and that gives an in perspective. If i'm worrying about something small or preoccupied with something small, you know, it allows me to go deeper and to reach higher. Just on a very simple level. There're also mystical levels to that idea, but i like a acological level.