The Battle Between Anti-Natalists and Pro-Natalists

We explain the rising tensions between pronatalists and antinatalists as an ideological war emerges. While some antinatalists logically argue for non-consensual human extinction, we remain committed to pluralism. However, their totalitarian views are concerning as they gain institutional power. Though depressed and self-loathing now, their numbers grow quickly. We must peacefully opt out to avoid potential violence.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] We need to really keep in mind that there is a growing movement out there that wants to end all human life.

Khrushchev said he would bury you

Malcolm Collins: anyway, children too will be fine.

It would be such an ignorant thing to do If the Russians

Malcolm Collins: The problem is that these people don't have children and know they don't love them

. Believe me when I say to

Malcolm Collins: and they really do want to kill you all and they could end up in nuclear silos.

They could end up in positions of power and we need to keep in mind just how dangerous the forces arrayed against us really are you know, while we try to be as pluralistic as possible, we need to understand that they want to remove consent from everyone, everyone.

if you could end suffering tomorrow, yeah, probably anything is justifiable. Inflicting just about anything is probably justifiable, imposing just about anything is probably [00:01:00] justifiable

Malcolm Collins: They are the, I think, the truest and purest form of evil in the world today. And it feels really good that there are enemies because I know I'm on the right side. It's like you get to a holocaust camp and you're like, Oh, these guys are clearly the f*****g bad guys. You get to an epilous subreddit, you're like, Oh, wow!

You could not more clearly signal that you're evil. But they are growing and they're growing faster than us.

Simone Collins: Yeah, yep, gird your loins, ladies and gentlemen,

Would you like to know more?

Simone Collins: So Malcolm, I'm not really sure when this is going to go live, but we are very rapidly approaching the end of the year 2023. This has been a wild year for us through the generosity of the survival and flourishing fund a significant amount for pronatalist advocacy work. Which got us really tapped into the community to the global landscape.

We've spoken with journalists across the world, Germany, France,

Malcolm Collins: politicians, politicians, leaders.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Just individuals. It's been wild. And I, I came in with [00:02:00] a very different perception of the forces arrayed against pronatalism that I have now at the end of the year, I came in thinking the forces arrayed against pronatalism are.

Just it being hard to have kids, it being expensive to have kids, it being daunting to have kids, the regulatory load being too high, and those things matter. But what I'm realizing is really at play and this is something that came up at the natalism conference in Austin that we attended in December and spoke at was it really what this is, is there is a growing, there's a war on the horizon and it is between people who are pro humanity, pro humanity.

Existence, sentience, life. I'm not saying pro life like anti abortion. I'm saying pro life like I like the fact that things exist and feel and, and anti life and this is something that we first got the rumblings of in like various off the record salons and dinner parties we [00:03:00] were hosting where we would bring up demographic collapse and pronatalism among major leaders, investors, politicians, influencers, et cetera.

In a common The most common pushback we got, it was never any of the things I thought were the big bags, bads. It was never expensive, blah, blah, blah, regulatory, blah, blah. No, it was, but wouldn't the, wouldn't the world be better off without humans? And we're like, wait,

Malcolm Collins: what? But this is an undercurrent.

And it's a much bigger and more philosophically robust undercurrent than I think many pronatalists give it credit for. Yeah. Yeah,

Simone Collins: exactly. There's, it is logically consistent and in, in the frame of modern progressive urban monoculture. society. It is the logical conclusion because it is a negative utilitarian mindset.

Yeah, if

Malcolm Collins: you're interested in going into our deep dive on negative utilitarianism, why we are not negative utilitarians [00:04:00] go find our video on negative utilitarianism. Just so people know, whenever I mention a video in one of these videos, typically up here. I'm, I'm going to post something which will appear like a little link that you can click if you're on YouTube, which will take you to that video.

And I often also at the end of a video, including the recommended videos, the videos that we have been talking about in that particular video to make it easier for you to find them. And this one, I'm almost certainly going to include if I remember the, the video on negative utilitarianism. So, you know, these, these are individuals who essentially believe that while negative emotions are a thing of negative value, positive emotions are not a thing of positive value.

It's not as insane as it sounds if you go into it in detail. But this philosophy is the core philosophy of the antinatalist movement. It is not the environmentalist philosophy. All of that is sort of ancillary. Like, yes, environmentalism is nice. Like, yes, some of the other things. But if you look at F, Like, ephalus, right?

Which is one of the core players in this community, which we'll go into in a second, or if you look [00:05:00] at like negative utilitarian, say we have debated, they actually don't want humans to stop existing right now because we don't yet have the capacity to kill all animal lives before we kill ourselves. And so they want to ensure that we can do that.

So there's not a risk of some other animal coming to evolve into humanity or the. Horrible things that are happening in nature all the time. And they're right. I mean, nature is a horrifying space. These are not logically inconsistent communities. Although we, we

Simone Collins: do have to divide it up and this is something so, Malcolm's referring to Lawrence, Anton and company.

A group of antinatalists based in the UK who are among the leading antinatalists. And they're, they're both very logically consistent and reasonable. They're the ones who hold the view that they want all sentience to end because all sentience is suffering. And it is very logically consistent on their end to be like, man, have you like seen how animals die?

Like it's way worse than, you know, like there's a lot more suffering units going on there than like the human suffering units. If we're looking at this, practically speaking, especially in developed societies, community and shrimp. Yes. But then there, there is, there are also the [00:06:00] environmental antinatalists who just think humans are

Malcolm Collins: bad.

The human extinction movement. So, I mean, let's talk about some of these, let's pull up the human extinction movement website. Okay.

So let's see what they say. So they're called the Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, if you want to look at this. And they say on their website, phasing out the human species by voluntarily ceasing to breed will allow Earth's biosphere to return to good health. Crowded conditions and resource shortages will improve as we become less dense.

I love how like underplayed that is from voluntary human extinction. See what's been happening lately in the movement. They're talking about how they were interviewed recently in the movement. They're talking about Elon Musk, who they hate, but some environmentalists have gone so far as to thinking humans are bad.

And of course they don't like that. This, so this is, this is. You know, it, it, it is one of the larger movements. It is an environmentalist movement, but I think it's the

Simone Collins: most consistent, like when, when people at those salons we've [00:07:00] hosted have said, wouldn't it be better if humans didn't exist at all?

They are, they are in this group. And I think this is in terms of people who don't put thought into this, and that is the majority of people there in this group that is not, all life is bad. Is dumb. Yeah, but it's, but also like the, and keep it again, most people don't put thought into this. Most people who aren't putting thought into this are just tacitly assuming humanity, bad humans, evil, corrupt capitalism, which is

Malcolm Collins: different from the negative utilitarian group who want all animals dead,

Simone Collins: but we're also very thoughtful.

They're in that.

Malcolm Collins: And this is where people are like, well, if you say that they're thoughtful and everything like that. Yeah. But our views are also logically consistent. And here's the thing. We are trying to create a diverse and flourishing human empire, and they are trying to extinguish all life that exists in the universe.

Who's the baddies? Like this is not difficult for me to figure out who are the bad guys here.

 I've just noticed something. Have you looked at our [00:08:00] caps recently? Our caps? The badges on our caps. Have you looked at them? What? No. A bit.

They've got skulls on them. Have you noticed that our caps have actually got little pictures of skulls on them? I don't, uh Hans.

Are we the baddies?

Malcolm Collins: I am happy that I happen to live at a time in history where so unambiguously there is one group of good guys and one group of evil guys. And keep in mind, you know, being part of this pronatalist community does not mean you have to have kids.

It just means that you work to support what the movement is doing. There's many ways that you can do that outside of having kids yourself. But it is, which team are you on? Are you on the Death to All Things team? Or are you on the you know, Let's, Let's improve the quality of our species. Let's improve the living quality of our species.

Let's improve [00:09:00] the amount of suffering that's happening in the world where we don't think suffering particularly matters, but on the margin, it's pretty easy to improve at this point. But you wanted to say something, Simone? Well, I

Simone Collins: mean, honestly, though, like you say that like it's so unambiguous, but I have moments where I feel like I'm so gaslit by society.

About all this stuff. We're like, I do find myself questioning and I think, you know, a lot of, and I'm like, wait, like, wait, it is humanity. Really? Like, I, like, I lose the plot. Cause I'm also like in any social situation, I'm, I'm like. I'm just trying to like give whatever response and follow whatever reasoning like pleases the crowd the most.

And I, I really do feel like this is how many people may have felt in Nazi Germany when they're like, we shouldn't, why do we hate you so

Malcolm Collins: much? And they're like,

Simone Collins: but, but like, haven't you seen what the Jews do to society? Haven't you seen that everything that's terrible is their fault. Don't you understand?

They're the only thing standing between us and the perfect [00:10:00] society. And like, you're sitting there and you're like. This can't be right. But you're making me feel really bad. Like you're acting like I'm the baddie here. And like, that's the thing is, is I do feel like this very large and growing proportion of society is just like, well, it's so obvious that humans are the bad guys.

It's so obvious that we need to get rid of all humans, that a lot of people are being gaslit. And again, this is the people who aren't putting much

Malcolm Collins: thought into it. Follow on from what these groups have done before. So

these groups as a form of penance and a form of status signaling. They have increasingly, you know, to status signal to their community. Talk about how bad their group is. And, you know, this started with white people are evil, you know, white people are evil or America is evil. America is evil. You know, if they're Americans, they can say that.

And that grants them status within their community because it makes them look like introspective and humble. Even if they don't understand really why they're saying what they're saying. And so. This has just expanded outwards and outwards and outwards [00:11:00] to humans are evil. Where the larger an in group that they are targeting was their this group is evil rhetoric, the more that they gain status within these communities.

And so it's just a natural descent from that. In addition, It removes more responsibility from them. If humans are evil, then they can do whatever they want. But I want to go over, you know, like, let's just go to the efilism subreddit right now. Like, what are these people talking about? Because I think the people, this is a life spelled backwards.

They don't really understand how extremist these communities are. So the top vote on efilism right now is a poll that says,

seriously, why are there so many antinatalists obsessed with consent? And the poll that they're fighting is. What will you do if 99. 99 percent of people on earth accepted the truth of antinatalism in the future?

And then it was, you know, a portion, 22 percent said use democracy to sterilize them. Wow. So they would use democracy to sterilize the people who were going to plan to keep having [00:12:00] kids. 9 percent said verbally bombard the 0. 001 percent until they accept antinatalism. And then 63 percent said leaves a 0.

001 percent alone, even if they end up repopulating the earth. So this is a constant problem with them. It's consent is a problem with them because they are a totalitarian movement. Like, the pronatalist movement doesn't really care what antinatalists do, right? Like they're removing themselves from the gene pool.

They are removing themselves from the, the cultural pool. They don't need them to do anything. Yeah, we don't care. Like we are a genuinely pluralistic movement fighting for pluralism. They are a totalitarian fascist movement that wants to take away other individuals

Simone Collins: rights. Well, no, so here's the thing is again, like Lawrence Anton and company, like that group of antinatalists.

It's very vehemently believes in consent and it's logically consistent with their views because they're very against causing human suffering. And I'm not just lying. You're drinking the Kool

Malcolm Collins: Aid.

Simone Collins: You're not. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. Let me finish. Okay. I, cause I understand what you're saying. They, but they, they [00:13:00] do really, they feel deeply morally uncomfortable with the idea of doing anything that causes more and unnecessary suffering.

However, in the end, they. I think, no, that there will be no way to actually achieve their end with consent, that you cannot convince everyone to do this, you just can't. And so in the end, there is no choice but to take away your autonomy.

Here is a short video by one of the leaders of the antinatalist community.

Yeah, so, look, in the interest of the end, if you could end suffering tomorrow, yeah, probably anything is justifiable. Inflicting just about anything is probably justifiable, imposing just about anything is probably justifiable, if you can end it. If you, if there's literally, you can guarantee no more ouch ever again, then there probably isn't.

a big enough out you could make that wouldn't be justified in the interest of that end, probably by any means necessary. Like if I found [00:14:00] out tomorrow that the only way that you could, that sentient extinction could possibly happen was skinning all the living things alive slowly. I'd hate it, um, but I would probably, I would say that it's what we have to do.

I'm totally I'm totally on board with the idea that the only thing that really matters is the suffering coming to a finality. So, yeah, anything in the interest of that, if you can guarantee that, even despite whatever imposition or nastiness might be necessary.

Malcolm Collins: But what's interesting about this poll, it does show that still 63 percent of antinatalists, keep in mind that means a lot, don't feel this way.

63 percent still wouldn't force that last 0. 001 percent to be infertile. So, so well, And I think that's, you know, when

Simone Collins: you look at, and when we talk about in the pragmatist guide to life objective functions, you know, like what are your inherent values? [00:15:00] You can have a, a basket of objective functions.

And I think what you're looking at is there's a segment of the population here. That you know, holds a bunch of different values. One of those values involves consent and not coercing people into things. And that ranks a little bit higher than exterminating all sentience. So, you know, for that group that matters, whereas for the other group, exterminating all sentience and all suffering is more important than the inherent value of, of consent and non coercion.

Malcolm Collins: Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Well, I mean, so, you know, and I I, so here's an example of another FLS top post right now. Oh boy. If you think you are a failure, think about whatever it is that is responsible for the creation of the universe. You will never be as bad. Oh,

Simone Collins: God, what a douche.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. I almost want to do a recurring segment where we just talk about whatever Ephilis are talking about these days. It's like a[00:16:00] what's, what's going on in that subreddit. So another website that was brought to my attention recently is stop having kids. So. Stophavingkids.

org. And they seem to be like the most officially looking website within the antinatalist movement. I don't

Simone Collins: know if official includes uncanny valley nonsense, that is

Malcolm Collins: some weird stuff. Well, they do. They are not as competent as pronatalists, but the IQ of antinatalists isn't as high as pronatalists.

I mean, keep in mind these, as we say, the greater replacement theory, that the Intelligent autists are going to replace everyone else. Cause that's mostly within the prenatalist movement. You know, these are, these are people that are when this is something that Dutton pointed out on our show, when you have one thing, that's a genetic problem with you, you're likely to have a cascade of other things.

So, you know, if you're low IQ, you're less likely to be attractive and you're less likely to be happy. You know, I said at the highest levels of IQ where you do get some depression issues,

but even still like these individuals are just not fit individuals and are dealing with a lot of. Mental internal stress.

And

Simone Collins: that is something that even people within the movement are like, this is a [00:17:00] really big problem. Like there are just a lot of very depressed people here.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and so I'd point out, and what I'm, what I'm putting out here is the pronatalist movement is much smaller than the antinatalist movement right now.

And in the amount of funding that we have is much lower than the amount the antinatalist community has. And yet you look at their websites and they look like. You know, the first one, the voluntary human extinction. I'll post a picture of it here. It's literally like an all techs website. What on earth guys?

And then if you look at the stop having kids, it's a bunch of uncanny Valley, like AI art stuff. Nightmare fuel. It is genuinely nightmare fuel. Like they couldn't find any one who wants to be publicly associated with this.

Simone Collins: Well, the thing is though, like all they had to do was go to what I do. I love it.

Pixabay. It's a, a free website. That has royalty free, like public domain stock images, you know, they could have gotten everything they needed there, but instead they're like, I'm just going to use AI to make the creepiest image possible. They've

Malcolm Collins: got things like make love, not babies. You can't opt. [00:18:00] Just the

Simone Collins: fact that someone with the best way

Malcolm Collins: to avoid having a baby born.

Oh boy. Be a voice for the childless, use your voice to speak speak out against

procreation. Aren't distractions wonderful to have, but why bring someone into the world when you, to distract yourself from how bad life is or something.

Simone Collins: But I, I mean, I agree with that though. Like, again, like, I don't think.

I'm, I'm super okay with, with antenatal is convincing people who are, are, are, you know, deeply unhappy people who wouldn't be good parents to not have kids because they shouldn't have kids.

Malcolm Collins: Well, and you know, they're like funding like billboards and stuff. If only we could, well, I guess we would never have spent money on something so wasteful.

Like people often do not stop to question having children before opting to procreate. What's interesting is we agree with them on a lot of stuff. Like I agree with that. We want to change that by ensuring that people consider the option of not reproducing as valid, rational and responsible in an ethical lifestyle.

Yeah. Let's get rid of these people. Like I agree with this. If you look at the top of their website, it's we want a future where creating biological [00:19:00] children is no longer an expected norm or something most people casually do without putting substantial thought and investigation into it. Where do I donate?

We are completely agree with this. We want that future too. You know, Maybe I can just

Simone Collins: contribute by giving them better images.

Malcolm Collins: No, you should say, Hey, I'll take over your website for you. I'll make it. Let me help you. Yes. aNd, and well, hold on. Let's do you want to do more? Effolism?

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. Hit

Malcolm Collins: me.

Okay well this person's like, I'm a happy person and I'm an ephilis, right? Because some people say that ephilis redditors are just depressed people projecting their pessimistic worldview. Well, I still hold the argument that, you know, they're like, that this is prejudice. And it's like, well, yeah, except realistically, the reason why this is one of the top posts here is because the vast majority of Ethelists [00:20:00] are not happy.

And, and, you know, even one of the posters on here says, is it really pure prejudice? Though, if a high percentage of the posts and comments on here are from people who obviously are upset, distressed, depressed, or even rascal. Yeah.

Simone Collins: You know, it's like being like, Oh, like I'm a 10, I'm an, I'm an extremely attractive and smart male, but I'm still MGTOW or like, I'm still black pilled.

Like, okay.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, got to leave this sub somebody says. So let's see why they're leaving. Okay. Militant veganism is too much. Militant

Simone Collins: veganism.

Malcolm Collins: Oh. I, I, yeah. So they're just being constantly attacked by their own community.

Simone Collins: Oh, Oh, I see. Yeah.

Yeah. What I am going to say though is, when we had a debate with two antenatalists, they took us to a legit good vegan restaurant.

Oh my, I didn't know you could do vegan food that good. So it's not all bad. [00:21:00]

Malcolm Collins: They're great people. This is an interesting one. How should an ideal etholist live with an average IQ?

Oh, no, that's not that interesting. I guess, not much aside from not reproducing. If you still want a family, adopt a kid. Except they never adopt kids. The people who adopt kids are always pronatalists. I think

Simone Collins: we've been, I asked on Twitter, and someone gave me one person. One person. So, there was one. Once.

One person who? Adopted. One antenatalist who

Malcolm Collins: adopted. Yeah, yeah, but the vast majority, if you look, like, genuinely at the people who adopt lots of kids, often they have lots of kids as well. Oh, no,

Simone Collins: no, no, no, the biggest adopters are prenatalists who, like, already have a ton of kids, and this is so common.

Like, if you watch Dream Home Makeover on Netflix With this like couple that I think they're a Mormon couple and they like redo the houses of really wealthy other Mormon couples who have a billion kids. Like it's super common to see, like they've adopted some same with like, if you go on Instagram and look at really large families, [00:22:00] like, uh, You know, one or two or even sometimes even more of the kids are obviously adopted.

Like it's crazy.

Malcolm Collins: By the way, speaking of people are like, Oh, anti natalists aren't depressed. The effortless aren't depressed. So here is the number one post on the effortless subreddit right now for the last month. It's stupid how we're told to quote unquote toughen up when we struggle with life, but at the same time, we're not allowed to kill ourselves.

Wait,

Simone Collins: who says they're not allowed to kill themselves?

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, this is interesting. I mean, there are, they are true that society largely says they're not allowed to kill themselves, but not us. I mean, we run the pronatalist movement or we're largely seen as running it and we are hugely pro people killing themselves.

Like, existence is a choice, but it's a choice you make for yourself and not for other people.

What are you waiting for, huh?! What are [00:23:00] you waiting for?! What are you waiting for? What am I waiting for? What am I waiting for? F**k you! Oh my god.

 Blood Blood Blood Blood Blood Blood Blood

Simone Collins: Yeah, well, it's a choice you make for yourself with knowledge and, you know, time and thoughtfulness. You know, we, I don't believe in impulsive suicide and I don't think that there are some people who are not of sound enough mind to make a good decision on that.

Malcolm Collins: Here's another one of the top posts. You have to be somewhat blinded to the truth to stay alive in this hell world. Life is all about pointless suffering and chasing pleasure to get temporary relief from suffering. Then you pass on the torch to the next generation so they can repeat this cycle. If you manage to do that, then you quote unquote won at life.

Like, so I love this idea that life is all about pointless suffering and chasing pleasure to [00:24:00] get temporary relief from this suffering. It's like, speak for yourself, motherfucker! Like, and that's, and that's the core reason that these people are so unhappy, I think. Yeah, for them, that's really what life is all about.

It's about this pointless chasing. It's about this pointless chasing and, and, and they, because that's what they think life is about. You know, the children for them are just another source of masturbating their own egos and their own self worth and their own happiness. They do not understand is one of my favorite comments ever underneath our own channel stated it was.

Why are you worried that the future is going to be a worse place? Why are you trying to make the future a better place if you are not personally going to get to experience it? Oh, this I think is the core difference between meaning pronatalists and antinatalists is this idea of that's the point, the truest form of happiness, the form of happiness that you personally have been unable to achieve yourself [00:25:00] comes from meaningfully living conscientiously.

Intellectually sound value systems when you know what's right and what's wrong and when you live by that value system and you don't have some sort of doubt like it's not something that's meant to just justify what you wanted to do already when you are making actual sacrifices both intellectual and personal.

To make the world a better place. And you see success in those endeavors that creates a form of happiness that is more indelible and more persistent and more genuinely fulfilling than anything these antinatalists can feel because they aren't living in that world. And so they likely have really never experienced true happiness.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But let's, so let's let's talk about the broader issue, right? The coming war. Because I think this is, this is what matters. And I do think that a problem that we will face with the pronatalist movement is that[00:26:00] a lot of people who would otherwise. Who really probably want to have kids who, who would tend toward that lifestyle.

Like, look at me, right? Like I was raised in a very antinatalist society. You know, no one, none of the girls that I was friends with ever planned on being mothers or planned on getting married. It was just not like part of life, right? You, you baby started a business and all this other cool stuff and you travel and have fun, but like, you weren't going to become a parent.

I do think that this growing divide of like humanity bad versus no, let's have kids and families is going to be something that picks off a lot of people who would otherwise be amazing parents, love being parents, raise awesome children, you know, really enjoy this and people who will be a lot more miserable without that lifestyle.

You know, how, how do we, how do we deal with that? Like as, as pronatalists, how do we head that off? I mean, I think a lot of it comes down [00:27:00] to our education reform work, right? Like giving people a different pathway to become empowered

Malcolm Collins: professionals. You need to take them out of the existing cultural framework because the existing cultural framework is toxic.

And what leads to this, the dominant, the virus, the cult, whatever you want to call it, it is what's causing this. Yeah. And it is what is nurturing this. You know, I went to the most. Upvoted Etheless things in the last year. Okay. And they have a meme where it's a crying guy and then Chad guy and crying guy is saying,

But to eliminate all suffering, we would have to destroy the earth.

And then Chad guy is saying, Yes. And it's titled, Beta Philosophers vs. Sigma Etheless. And the first comment there is, but what about consent? You know, in silly letters, right? And under that it says, says people who impose suffering and death on every future generation without consent. Like this, this is genuinely the stuff they think.

The next comment here, which I think is really interesting because it shows just how disgusting these people are as human beings. is so they see, you know, Chad guy was a beard [00:28:00] and everything like that, being the good guy in a meme. And they say, the idea of this meme is good, but the execution is disgusting.

Memes teach that this dude with the beard on the right is always the reference a*****e, racist, sexist, homophobe, and so on. Putting the ideas of efilism into the mouths of a******s is wrong. Oh, they are so extreme that they see the guy. That, like, everyone considers the good guy in these memes, the based guy in these memes.

And they're like, they just associate it with evil because they're living this, like, childish pursuit of the, the most infantile perspective of what good is and what evil is. Oh,

Simone Collins: golly. Well. Yeah. All right. So if this is the growing war, I guess the answer does come back to what we've been discussing in so, so, so, so many posts, which is just, all right, then we have to opt out of this, just opt out, educate our kids separately, build separate economies, get out.[00:29:00]

Protect yourself while you can

Malcolm Collins: and eventually, you know, if these people do become a threat, if they do get access to AI and stuff like that, they can do what they want to do, which is Venus or destroy the planet. We need to really keep in mind that there is a growing movement out there that wants to end all human life.

You know, that song where he's talking about the Soviets and he's like, you know, if they love their children too, they're, they're not going to end the world..

Khrushchev said he would bury you

Malcolm Collins: anyway, children too will be fine.

It would be such an ignorant thing to do If the Russians

Malcolm Collins: The problem is that these people don't have children and know they don't love them

Believe me when I say to

Malcolm Collins: and they really do want to kill you all and they could end up in nuclear silos.

They could end up in positions of power and we need to keep in mind just how dangerous the forces arrayed against us really are and we need to as [00:30:00] judiciously remove them from any position that they could use to destroy all life and remove consent from other individuals as quickly as possible because,

You know, while we try to be as pluralistic as possible, we need to understand that they want to remove consent from everyone, everyone.

They are the, I think, the truest and purest form of evil in the world today. And it feels really good that there are enemies because I know I'm on the right side. It's like you get to a holocaust camp and you're like, Oh, these guys are clearly the f*****g bad guys. You get to an epilous subreddit, you're like, Oh, wow!

You could not more clearly signal that you're evil. But they are growing and they're growing faster than us.

Simone Collins: Yeah, yep, gird your loins, ladies and gentlemen, and Malcolm. Glad that I'm marching into the future with you. It's sometimes a little scary, but,

Malcolm Collins: uh, well, I got somebody has my back to the shield.

You always protect this family. And I really appreciate that because I would not be able to take the aggressive moves that I am taking as an individual. If you weren't out protecting us.

Simone Collins: No, we won't escape the [00:31:00] darkness unless you aggressively march us toward the light. So thank you very much. She told us toward marriage.

There you

Go. Love you.

Thorston Collins: Oh, I did it! You did it? Is it good? Is it good? Not yet. Almost there. Can you see that? Whee! Whee! Wow, wow! Haha, you

Octavian Collins: see that?

Thorston Collins: Do you want to go in the wave too? Yeah! That's crazy! That's crazy! That's [00:32:00] so fast!