Pete, I mentioned to you once before, I think, but it's crazy because like the Stiger missions school that we run every year in summer is actually like a half a year. Like a half hour down the road from her and her. It's like we're right in that same area. Yeah, every year, like people from all

over the world coming. In the Czech Republic or in Germany? In Germany,

yeah. But that's a crazy story that's super inspirational for us as well. Yeah. For sure. And these

guys, I mean, back at the start, most people hadn't heard of them. I mean, we're trying to change that, but it was amazing to me that when you look into their story, they have rewritten the modern world. No question at all about it. But they were terrible at starting institutions. So that's probably why a lot of people had heard of them because the Moravian denomination is tiny. Most of those they led to the law, you know, they gave away to other churches. Anyway, so I just figured if they could pray nonstop for 100 years and change the world, and if God was speaking to me about prayer, then we should try praying nonstop for a month and see what would happen. Yeah. And we started and the rest kind of in our little world is history. We started praying night and day on the 5th of September, 1999. God showed up in the room. There were angelic visitations, healings, lament and heartbreak, all over the walls. We couldn't stop at the end of the first month. People were getting saved one day, you know, just spending two hours in the prayer room the next getting discipled by God himself. And I realized this is what I've seen. This is how the army arises. Why did I not see it before the church began in a 24 seven prayer room? How did I always miss that? And then it began spreading and we thought maybe we'll fill the year 2000 with nonstop prayer. That was like wild because back then you had to go to South Korea to see night and day prayer and nowhere else. And so the thought that a Western nation might fill a year with night and day prayer was like unthinkable. And then we're now just in our 25th year of nonstop prayer. We're now in over a hundred nations. We're working with everyone from the Catholics, the highest level to the Salvation Army at street level. And loads of ministries have been born out of the prayer room. Many of them right on the front lines of mission and justice. So yeah, I'm bewildered. It's been a wild ride. Sorry for the long answer. No, no. We led with a big question. Well, that's what we wanted. We wanted to hear that

vision and that story of what God did because that I think as you said, that's been an inspiration to people all around the world and different things have started as a result. And they're like looking into the roots. That's really fascinating and hearing how you connect with them or even movement to realize that so many of these things that nowadays are a bit more common, like, which is great. It's like, Oh, yeah, all night prayer or prayer movements, prayer rooms. Lots of people talk about it and they don't always know the different stories and how these things started. But God's used it in an incredible way. And I'd love to hear what you're excited about today. So so much has happened. Things have spread around the world. What do you see God doing right now, especially among young people? We're hearing stories. You know, we're hearing in London churches, you know, doing all night prayer and worship times that's so important. And worship times that some of our friends are going to join in next month. That things happening in the US and college campuses. What's exciting you right now in terms of what do you see God doing at this time?

Yeah, great question. I mean, the first thing is a massive stirring of prayer and we just need to pause one second now because answering prayer is very easy for God. He's God miracle. He doesn't freak out when he does a miracle and go, wow, how did I do that? He's God. He finds it very easy to answer prayers. The greatest miracle is not when a prayer is answered. It's where a proud independent human being finally bows the knee and says, I can't do this. I need your help. Right. That's the greatest miracle. It's the principal God won't violate right because he respects your free will too much. So it's easy to just press to toss out phrases like, yeah, people are praying night and day.

That is a miracle.

I mean, the movement of prayer, whether you're looking at, you know, what's happening with KXC and Saint Church and those guys in London right now, whether you look at what's happening with 24 seven, whether you look at what's happening, what's happening, what's happening in the asbury or actually more remarkable than asbury is what's happening at Liberty University right now, which is longer and deeper than what happened asbury, but it's not on viral hasn't been reported. There's a whole bunch of cool stuff. So that's the first thing is to stirring a prayer and every major missions movement begins with the prayer movement. So, and we are arguably seeing one of the greatest prayer movements the world has ever seen right now, bigger than any of us, which means anyone who's got a heart for mission should get very, very excited indeed. Yeah, the second thing I see is a massive hunger for the gospel in what the Americans call Gen Z. It is so obvious that the narratives that are being taught the philosophy that is being espoused by a progressive liberal culture, it just doesn't work. It cannot speak to the questions of the heart. Right. It can make you angry. It can make you cynical. It can make you very clear about everything you don't believe in, including the fact you don't anymore believe in politics or truth or gender or anything else. Man, it's good at all of that, but it doesn't speak to the questions of the heart. Like, why am I hurting like hell and can I be forgiven and why do I feel ashamed and what happens when I die. And I think that worst, you know, millennials and Gen X and all of that kind of road that wave of cynicism. Gen Y, Gen Z, sorry, is coming out the other side of it and going, okay, fine, whatever, but would someone please tell me what's true. And we are definitely seeing that kind of a, it's like they've leaped frog something and they're now in a post cynical space. Maybe I'll call it that. So I was with someone three nights, four nights ago in Manchester England. Over the Easter weekend, they led 469 people of Jesus in their church. 469. 469. Crazy. And every single one of those had a phone call within three days to give them one of four options for follow up. So, you know, there is, it's not everything, but it's something, there's something stirring, I believe, in this generation. And then the final thing I see is I travel around and the advantage of it being a global movement you guys know is you get to travel and see different cultures and get a 30,000 foot view on things is a massive transfer of power from one generation to next. Like we can sit around being depressed about all the famous old leaders who are screwing up and falling over right now and you can insert the names and you should be upset and it's terrible. It's heartbreaking. Or you can say, man, they may have messed up, but the anointing hasn't gone away and therefore it's time for some people to pick up some mantles and run with it and say, I'm going to be different. I'm going to teach the Bible different. I'm going to lead differently. I'm going to make worship music differently. I'm going to plant churches differently. Because, and so I've quite often now, like I find a worship leader amazing some writer the other day who was so devastated to hear the news about Kevin Pross and some of what's coming out there because Kevin has been a hero to him. And I found him and said, cry your tears lament all you need to, but then get up and you be the new Kevin Pross for a new generation, but don't make the same mistakes. And I think we're seeing a massive transfer of power faster than we could ever imagined for a new generation to rise up and pioneer. So it's sad and it's exciting at the same time. Welcome to the fairground. Yeah, well, and there's so

much of what you said I want to react to. I think the idea that we can be clear and truthful with Gen Z is really resonating. It's it's weird because our ministry forever has been sort of known by its attempts to be relevant. We want to go to people communicate to them in a way that makes sense using their symbols, their language, their art, but of course in an uncompromising way. And yet I feel increasingly like once we get to those spaces where young people are present, they just want to hear the truth. Like they just want to hear the truth. It's incredible. And so I completely resonate with that. What I want to come back to is this idea of prayer because a phenomenon I'm discovering is that as I talk to churches and people in churches now, when I would describe what we did maybe 10 years ago, there was sort of a detached enthusiasm like, oh, that's great. You know, you're out there in the crazy corners of the world reaching people. But now these are their kids and their grandkids. There is a desperation in the eyes of every congregant I seem to speak for now where they're coming up to me going help. Like, what do we do? And so my question for you is you said that all revival, all major moves of God begin with prayer. There's almost like a feeling of I want to go do something and yet calling them to prayer can feel passive to some people. So why is it that prayer is the best right step for them to take in the face of the desperation they feel to reach now something that is visible in their own lives.

Okay, great question. First thing is, I love the way you frame it. You used to reach out with crazy kids. Now you find everyone's the crazy kid. I remember Steiger used to do alternatives. Do you remember anyone in that phrase alternative

culture now? All cultures alternative. We just don't know what's right. We

don't even know what it's alternative to. We just know everything's alternative. Everyone's crazy. So welcome to the party. Yeah, exactly. You know, God forgive us if the church continues to be led by retired dentists, you know, we're in deep trouble. So the church is going to have to be led by innovators, imagineers, entrepreneurs, creatives, you know, punk rock Jesus lovers because the culture just went way out West. So if we aren't camped out there, we're already irrelevant. So, you know, well, I'm being prophetic to the question about prayer. Well, firstly, all the research shows more people pray than God of church, almost everyone, even atheists, so incredibly high ratio of atheists, confess occasionally backsliding and praying. You know, very few people, you know, hold a newborn baby a lot and say, behold, a biological fluke born into a meaningless universe. Right. Everyone in that moment knows it's a miracle. Life is a miracle.