I sometimes describe myself as a classical liberal and having read your book, I feel like it's even better description because then I can take both pain and Berke when I need to. But where does libertarianism fit into this, into this discussion? Yeah, it's a very good question. It's a complicated question. Different libertarians emphasize different things. There is an important strand of libertarianism that is very utopian about what freedom can make possible. And especially in social life, we can make possible a degree of liberty that will enable a degree of human happiness otherwise not possible.

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