I think we spend a little too much time maybe on this question of measurement and because I'm interested in it but it's not the central part of your book. But you mentioned Alex, is it Honnold has said his lesson? Yeah. He may have preferred not to live out of his car for a while but after he got really good at climbing and after he free soloed El Capitan or whatever else he did. Now he's very wealthy. He has a lot of money. And what he said when I heard him speak, I don't know if he's lived up to this but that's not really relevant. Well, it's a little relevant actually. We can