Outro

James Patterson joins the show to talk about Disrupt Everything—and Win: Take Control of Your Future, his new playbook for turning constant disruption into something useful rather than paralyzing. He explains how he thinks about "positive" versus "negative" disruptors, wrestles with whether the gospel of disruption feeds our narcissism, and defends his literacy work and banned YA novels in places like Florida. Mike then presents to him evidence that one of the book's inspirational case studies isn't quite so inspirational; Patterson reacts to that information in real time. Plus: the episode opens and closes on the Trump administration's terror lists—from the maybe-imaginary Venezuelan "Cartel de los Soles" to Italy's Informal Anarchist Federation and Greece's archery-obsessed "Conspiracy of Cells of Fire".

Produced by Corey Wara

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