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12 Angry Hopefuls
Pod Save America
The Rise of Sideshow Characters in Washington
I do think more people than usual have come to Washington since Donald Trump and during the Trump eras because of that. But I still think there are more people that come here to just do good work. It can be, it doesn't mean that everybody stays in Washington as an idealist. You can come here idealistic and leave cynical. And then realize it's actually easier to make money.
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