You and your friends founded the experimental company, the defiant theatre. You've said that if you had started aditioning at big theatres before then, you'd probably still be there. Was it when you developed the defiant theatre that that realization about your country rub persona first occurred to you? It was in those years! Yes, cas my my best friend, was one of our main directors. And so they would pick shows to do, and i built the scenery for this company. Like i had all the tools, i drove the truck. In many ways, i was the dad of the company.