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EVM and Ethereum
Munib: I don't think our industry has seen a true Bitcoin-dify moment, where a ton of BTC capital is actually flowing into a contract. And on the stack side, we will push for dips on the Bitcoin L1, but it's not going to happen within years. We'll try to make it as decentralized as possible and there's only as far as we can go without supporting L2. So while you have this decentralized, peg-code opcode that we are asking people to come along with in order to support them, they're still very hard to do.