I think when people describe themselves, slavery abolitionists 200 years ago, they were taking that long view. I'm on board with that incrementalist approach and still be working towards that eventual goal of saying if we put these programs in place and we see that they work, then we'll be able to shift the resources over. However, when we have this incredibly complex and incredibly carceral criminal justice system that's that is clearly designed to lock up the powerless, the poor, the different,. the non-white affluent person. That's not a very dis satisfying answer from the perspective of it's a cancer all over the body. And what I'm saying is, you know it's not like