Is Baptism an Empty Sign?

The phrase empty sign is the particular phrase that lutherans have used in conversations about baptism. It's always been the case that the reformed will say, no, we don't see baptism as an empty sign. But when lutheran theologians have classically said, the reformed are left with empty signs. The second thing though is that because the westminster confession of faith divorces faith and we'll see in their comments here, they affirm this kind of position. So it's a really hard to hold on to what you've done so far."