I Think the Opposition Between the Symbolic and the Imaginary Is a Good One.

Ryan: I think that's what allows you know people who are in authority to operate without you know with impunity a lot of times because the symbolic structure is necessarily obscured from view. "I don't know there's a more imaginary fiction that that starts a symbolic reality than that," he says. Ryan: Any project of like dismantling the symbolic functions it just makes it impossible to conceive until you understand that that's what you're trying to do"