He is really the person who created the, to the extent that one person created the Google self-driving car or even the industry, it was him and he went through this weird, very controversial journey. So he is one of the most interesting people in self-driving cars. He's kind of come out the other end obviously with tons of baggage, very controversial but sort of saying something out loud that I think people in the industry were saying quietly for a very long time and that is this is not going as well as we wanted it to go. It actually looks like maybe a mining application, Max?

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