Is That What You're Talking About?

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Hamsa and Andi had some of the most likeable fights i've ever heard in my life. I was surprised at how little we got sick of each other, at least from my aunt. The toughest disagreements or debates were when we're getng to the point that so many people weren't talking. We just need to be scarrier,. essentially, like to try and scare people into talking to us. Maoos, go hard. Say all the things to bri yve never said. Go on.

Brian Reed and Hamza Syed are co-hosts of the new podcast The Trojan Horse Affair.

“I had lost all faith in the reporting that already happened on the subject matter. And that was my mentality with each source and each interviewer. I wanted the debate ended in the room because I didn't want commentary beyond it. I didn't want any kind of interpretation beyond it. I wanted the situation to be resolved there and then…. And without certain answers, I thought we weren't going to be able to speak about this matter in the way that I wanted to speak about it.” —Syed

“I both desperately wanted to know the answer of who wrote the letter, but kind of understood that we probably weren't going to get it beyond a shadow of a doubt. And I thought that I had transmitted that to Hamza and that he understood that. But as time went on, I realized that he had not accepted that as the likely outcome. And this is what was actually so energizing to work with you, Hamza. You never let your hope and desire and hunger to get that answer ever get dimmed. Like, ever.” —Reed

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