There's a segment of people who enjoy and participate in either debates or public speaking more broadly for the intrinsic thrill of it because they actually enjoy that. That's really not what I'm about to be honest. They're more about entertainment but also about inspiration and information. You can reach audiences by doing a debate that maybe you couldn't reach otherwise. But I've done them. Most people have said what they wanted to say. It doesn't seem to be a lot of hankering as far as I can tell for new material along those lines. Perfectly okay with me. I have plenty of other things to talk about. He says, we know we don't live in anti-