"It's just incredible how we sit there and we think making major transitions that are just absolutely against the interests of a large portion, the majority portion, of western societies," he says. "We don't consider lyke princes here in california, they say, whell we want cut greenhouse gret gases, so everybody has to live in an apartment in a dense area." 'What kind of siciety do you think you're going to have if te isn't going to have a bunch of happy campers? If, well, you know, you better be stowing somewhere on a massiv level if you want that there'

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