Philip Klein: I was this nerdy kid and, you know, I guess I was a kid back then. But I had this expectation that people would respond in the same way. And so we had to come up with sort of an emotional way of convincing her of what was rationally obvious. He says he sees journalism as "a pretty noble, noble pursuit" but it's not always sunny.

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