"Most people don't even get to the point where people actually say things are saying the shit," he says. "They're imagining the worst case scenario okay so they tell themselves the story about what people may think if they go out and do whatever it is they're wanting to do" Having an open door policy when you're a manager or a leader of a small group is very important, he adds. 'You want to build a culture based around no cancerous behavior' He also suggests that in potential executives who have 15 employees there could be two reasons for termination.