Should Fleeing Officers Justify Lethal Force?

In this raw, unfiltered episode of Based Camp, Malcolm and Simone Collins dive deep into the January 2026 ICE shooting death of Renee Nicole Good — a 37-year-old white lesbian poet, mother of three, and full-time activist killed in Minneapolis during an immigration enforcement operation.

Why hasn’t this incident sparked the same massive outrage or martyr status as George Floyd’s death (despite happening blocks away)? We break down the video evidence, the protester’s actions (including laughing, attempting to drive away, and prior harassment of ICE agents), the role of extreme privilege, and why parts of the left seem uncomfortable rallying around a white woman’s death — even when she was queer.

We also discuss:

* The normalization of antagonizing law enforcement

* Broken systems, immigration fraud (especially Somali migrant networks), and why “this could happen to anyone” is dangerously misleading

* Personal family tragedy (children losing a parent)

* Parallels to other cases, cultural bubbles, and long-term societal consequences

Plus bonus tangents on everything from vampire conspiracies to future human colonization and why we’re team “family values vampires.”

If you’re tired of surface-level takes, this is the meta-analysis you need. Love you, Simone. 🔥

Watch the full bodycam/protester footage breakdowns in context — and drop your thoughts below: Was this avoidable? Is the reaction (or lack thereof) revealing something deeper about modern activism?Speaker: [00:00:00] When an officer approaches your car, be polite.

Speaker 2: Is there a

Speaker: problem, officer? And stay in your car with your hands on the wheel.

What the f**k do want motherfucker? Unless you wanna ask this,

Speaker 4: That’s fine. Us citizen. You wanna come at us? You wanna come at us?

Speaker: Unless you wanna ask this,

Would you like to know more?

Malcolm Collins: Hello Simone. I am, well, I guess it’s a, it’s a somber occasion to be here with you today. ‘cause today we’re gonna be discussing somebody who died and the public reaction to it. And I think what a lot of people are missing, ‘cause I wanna focus more on the meta commentary. The ice shooting death?

Yeah. Because I think it’s, it’s really interesting in a number of perspectives. One of, I think the biggest is that she has not turned into, like, when it first happened, there was this [00:01:00] feeling that, oh, this is gonna turn into a death that a lot of people rally around, like the bbl m death, like the trouble.

Well, and people

Simone Collins: were pointing out even the, the geographic proximity, the physical proximity of her death to the death of George Floyd.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And yet it has not turned into that. It, it, it very much has not turned into that. So I wanna talk about why that hasn’t happened, and I’m gonna start on that question because I think it’s, it’s a very, very fascinating, and I think a large part of it comes down to a video that you shared with me, right, where they are interviewing a white woman who is at a protest about this woman’s death.

And she says. She feels uncomfortable being there and she’s not sure it is ethical for her to be there. And the reason why she is not sure it is ethical for her to be there is because they are protesting the death of a white woman. And she feels that that is a fundamentally wrong thing to do.

Speaker 8: So, I mean, I’m just walking around kind of just day side. ‘cause I, I [00:02:00] got, I was like, I don’t know if it’s the right thing to do. It feels kind of wrong being here in some way. I don’t know why. Uhhuh And why, why do you think? Yeah, I don’t know. Um, I don’t know like where that stems from. Um, like I don’t, I mean, part of it is being like a white woman that I’m privileged and I have a lot of privilege.

Mm-hmm. Um. So I feel like white tears are not always something that’s helpful or necessary. Yeah. Um, when black and brown people have been experiencing this Yeah. For a long time. Um, this isn’t new for them. And so, um mm-hmm. I don’t know if that makes any sense. No. In that way. Um, how did you decide that you should be here?

Speaker 9: Are you still figuring that out? Um, well, I work, uh, like two miles from here. Mm-hmm. So, um, driving by. Just, I don’t, you know, it was like, I’m here. Um, I’m two miles. I can stop. Um.

Malcolm Collins: And that was for me that, that, I mean, she felt like that it’s wild that this

Simone Collins: woman died [00:03:00] for the cause and people are not even willing to grieve for her on her side because she’s a white woman.

Malcolm Collins: And if you look at the no, what they could have said is, well, she’s a lesbian at least

Simone Collins: right. But no, she doesn’t even get lesbian points.

That she was a lesbian has become more widely known since, , this piece came out because her partner was there. , This recording that I’m about to show because her partner was there encouraging her to gun it , and now everybody knows, oh, she had the partner there.

Now that we have the video, which we didn’t have when we recorded this, it’s much less ambiguous. What happened? , A few things that you should note about this video as you’re watching it is as we say in this piece, and we go on to say this, we predicted this very accurately. , They clearly thought this was a joke and they did not understand that they’re dealing with law enforcement officers.

You can say, well, he’s not a cop, he’s a law enforcement officer. Okay. That she is saying to a law enforcement officer, and I love that progressives take this line to mean that she [00:04:00] wasn’t a bad guy. Like, we don’t even hate you, like while laughing, , imagine a cop pulls you over and you’re like, we don’t even hate you, whatever.

And then you try to drive away. , That’s a sign of so little respect and understanding for the situation you’re in at the moment. The other thing to note about the video is., The position of the law enforcement officer. So you’ll see him walking around the front of the car and as he starts walking around the front of the car, this woman’s wife is on the other side of the car trying to open the door.

, And she stops trying to open the door as he walks around the car and starts saying like, gun it , or go or something. , It’s hard to make out. Exactly. , Other people have done better analysis, . And that’s when she starts going. So he had no reason to think that she was about to rev the engine like this because her wife was pulling the handle at the time.

He starts moving around the front of the car and you can also see that he’s nowhere near made it around the entire front of the car. , There [00:05:00] it would’ve been almost impossible for her not to hit him, given his position where he is when she starts attempting to move. . A lot of people say he slipped on the ice or something, or it is the gun that’s shooting that you’re hearing, , when he falls over, which is clearly not the case.

It is him. Being hit by the car. , He was only about two thirds around the front of the car. , He was much more directly hit by the car than I was aware of. , Finally you hear her laughing in this piece. , And it is clear, as we say throughout the rest of this, that she thought this was a joke. Like that she doesn’t understand that these are law enforcement officers and that there could be repercussions for her actions.

Speaker 4: That’s fine. Dude. I’m not mad. Show your face. I’m not mad at you. That’s okay. We don’t change our plates every morning. Just so you know. It’ll be the same plate when you come talk to us later. That’s fine. Us [00:06:00] citizen. You wanna come at us? You wanna come at us? I said go get yourself some lunch. Big boy

Speaker 3: out the car

Again, note her partner’s hand on the door handle as the guy starts walking around the front of the car. No way he could have known she was about to try to gun it.

Speaker 4: outta the, get outta the.

Malcolm Collins: I’ve also found it weird that nobody mentioned like I I, that this is, I found when I was researching this myself, that she was married to a woman. Like, and then she has a, I think she has a kid too.

She’s a parent? No, she has one’s, three kids. She lost custody of two of them and had one left. Who she had was a different guy who died and then she, okay, so this is the thing, like I haven’t heard that much about my life. No

Simone Collins: one’s talked about that. Well, that’s crazy. ‘cause I mean, I think that’s one of the most tragic things when someone dies, is this.

Especially if they’re a parent, especially if a kid is losing a parent. You know, like the, the top number one thing, either you or I think about when we are afraid of death isn’t dying [00:07:00] ourselves. It’s, it’s our kids losing a major source of support and a parent, right? And, and that is the most sad to me thing about this is that a child has lost, well now, now I know three children have lost their mother, and that is.

Terribly sad and we didn’t, no one’s talking

Malcolm Collins: about that. That’s boring. What’s more interesting is, why is nobody talking about this? Yeah, no. That that is a question. That is a question. The weirder thing is one that she hasn’t become a symbol for the left to rally around and. The, the, her being a white woman, people pointed out that when the guy lit himself on fire for the Palestinian cause and he was a white guy who had formerly been in, in the US military and people were on the left attacking him after that in comments.

Mm-hmm. You know, saying, how dare you do this if you’re not black or something like that. It was a bunch of black people attacking him, really is what it was.

And I guess they felt like they, they, there cannot be, or even the. Threat of a martyr who isn’t a minority was a problem for them. And that’s when I realized [00:08:00] that guy also didn’t have a movement form around him.

I also, in the news cycle following that, learned very little about that guy’s life. And I think through this we can see a couple things in the left. Now there is a genuine. Fear and concern among the like, protesting class, the class that could form A BLM or something like that of white martyrs of even saying that White Lives matter, right?

And I think that they got so afraid, like when people were like, all lives matter and people would attack you for saying that, and they’d say, well, you know, that’s, that’s a dog whistle. You know, some lives matter more than others. This is why you, you shouldn’t rewrite animal form the way they do.

You know, like, it’s important to know when people are saying that, but no, people would say All lives matter, and people would say, no. You, you, you obviously, like we are protesting black lives here because. People seem to care less about black lives, right? That that’s the charitable assumption they would say, and [00:09:00] you are trying to minimize or silence that conversation.

Mm-hmm. And then the other person would say no. I genuinely think that when people are saying Black Lives Matter, the implication is that white lives do not matter. And or do not matter as much or Yeah.

Simone Collins: Or specifically Black Lives matter more.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. And I think that we are seeing that. To a large group of the left, at least to the larger leftist zeitgeist that was genuinely internalized.

Simone Collins: Well, but what’s so odd to me too though, is when you look at these protesters. A sizable number of them, especially the ones who have allegedly quit their jobs. ‘cause this woman isn’t the only one who basically went to full-time protesting like this. Are college educated often middle aged to older, but sometimes young, too white women.

Yeah, so I wanna, I wanna, so that’s also the super odd thing I, I, I explain that to me, or have, do you have any theories? Yeah,

Malcolm Collins: I wanna go into this woman’s life. I want to go into sort [00:10:00] of what she did day to day so we can better understand. And also I think it’s interesting one of the things I keep hearing about this is leftist saying you know, this could be you, this could be any of your listeners, this could be anyone.

And I think that that’s a really interesting statement as well, because obviously to you or to me. Growing up I was taught, and this is something that, that I just sort of assumed that everyone knew. That trying to drive away from a police officer who has you pulled over is exactly the type of thing that can get you shot.

Especially if you do it in a way where you hit the officer. And I’ve noticed in the discussion of this, like a lot of people on the rider are like, she was trying to run over the officer. She was trying to, and, and there’s two angles from the video. One makes it look more like she was trying to maybe intentionally run him over the other, it looks like just.

He got in the way or something and she just sort of like sideswipes him.

Mm-hmm.

The [00:11:00] point being is I don’t think that anybody disagrees. He did have to go to the hospital, but he was sideswiped by her car. You know, her car could have run over his feet easily. Well, some

Simone Collins: people have pointed out, because we don’t know the full details of this, that he may have been hospitalized, just, just part of protocol.

So he may have not been injured, but for liability reasons or for. Internal policy, he had to go to the hospital and then be discharged after being evaluated. Right, right. That,

Malcolm Collins: that’s, that’s

Simone Collins: totally true. Still, I think, and another important detail though, that I’m expecting you to point out is that this same man had previously been dragged for, I can’t like quite a significant distance.

And you can even see images of the track marks in the ground. When someone else evading ice arrest pulled him in his car. As, as he was dragged him in his car as he was trying to get away from him. So this man had already been hospitalized, been injured significantly, gotten quite a few stitches.

No,

Malcolm Collins: but I, I don’t think that I, I mean, I, I know that, like, that motivated his behavior in [00:12:00] the moment and everything like that. Yeah. But what I’m trying to point out here, and the larger point I’m making is outside of that, even if you take the most charitable leftist position of this Yeah. Somebody is pulled over by a cop and then they, in a way where they’re.

Car physically contacts the cop. Yeah. I, I think that that pretty obviously happens from the video. Whether it was running over, I think is the more in a way where, or, or whether she intended to kill him.

Mm-hmm.

I, I do, I actually don’t get the impression that she intended to kill him, and that’s a pretty aggressive thing to do if you look at her history.

No. Yeah. It doesn’t look like she was intending to kill him, but she knew she was trying to get away from somebody trying to arrest her. Yeah. Who was outside her car on foot while she was in the car? I think a normal human being, and this is why I find the claim of this could happen to anyone. That’s exactly the type of thing that gets you shot by the police.

Like I, if, if somebody said Malcolm. A police officer is outside your car with a, with a notebook, right? Like, what are some of the things that you could do that are very likely to get you shot? [00:13:00] Dive under my seat, fumbling to grab something. Dive across the car, rest to try to open, get something outta my glove vest.

Pretend to pull something outta my jacket or drive away.

Simone Collins: Well, and that’s, that is just the last in a long line of. Poor decisions that she made. The, the biggest, I mean this also the fact that she went to antagonize ice officers. Not just this one on, on this one occasion, but repeatedly.

Malcolm Collins: But that’s like her. So I wanna, I wanna talk about that. So, what, what, why? It’s interesting when they say this could happen to anyone what they mean, and there’s actually a lot that can be unpacked from that statement. Hmm. Because and I think that this is part of why this hasn’t caught on with, like, for example, the black community, the black community knows you can’t drive away in the middle of a, of a, of a being stopped by a police officer.

Speaker: Have you ever been face to face with a police officer and wondered? Is he about to kick my ass? Follow [00:14:00] these easy tips, you’ll be fine. First, obey the law. Laws were made for a reason. Think of them as hints. You heard people say, man, I wouldn’t do that s**t if I was you. Well, here’s some of that s**t.

We all know what happened to Rodney King, but Rodney wouldn’t have got his ass kicked if he had just followed his simple tip. When you see flashing police lights in your mirror, stop immediately. Everybody knows if the police have to come and get you, they’re bringing an ass kicking with you. When an officer approaches your car, be polite.

Speaker 2: Is there a

Speaker: problem, officer? And stay in your car with your hands on the wheel.

What the f**k do want motherfucker? Unless you wanna ask this,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. Well, well there’s, there’s even

Simone Collins: this, I, [00:15:00] I haven’t seen one for a long time, but back before I quit feeds ‘cause they’re not good for you on social media, like reels and stuff. There, there was this guy who would do I think TikTok videos, but also like he posted to YouTube his shorts of him just being pulled over.

He was a black guy being pulled over by cops. And he would always record them and he would record like with both of his hands up and like the whole thing. Just to. Because he knows, ‘cause everyone knows like, yeah. Don’t, don’t do anything stupid. Absolutely. It’s a, it’s a thing. It is a very, very, very well known extensibility.

It’s, it’s,

Malcolm Collins: and the level of privilege. So there’s, so there’s two things that could have led her to this decision. Mm-hmm. And, and they likely both influenced it. One is living in a bubble of such intense privilege that she did not believe that a police officer or anyone in a position of authority would react to her just violating.

Like law, right? Like, yeah. That she could just run away and, and, and you see this with a second. And you see this in the left more broadly, like when they get mad at people for like stopping shoplifters and stuff [00:16:00] like that, right? Mm-hmm. Like, but the, the bigger issue here is that she likely didn’t see this person as a legitimate officer of the law or more broadly.

Saw law officers of antagonistic like felt that she had a duty because I think that your perception and the way you relate to law officers needs to be quite warped for it to be anywhere in your brain that you are going to try to drive away from them. And if anything, I think that her death was the result of ice being.

Overly lenient in the way that they had treated her historically, and they had treated protesters like her historically. See, normally to a normal person, and I’m, I’m pretty sure this is anywhere, you have a degree of fear when cops are around, right? Like a lot of people are like, oh, you don’t understand you’re XY.

No. Everyone’s. I’m scared when the cops are around, right? Because you know they’ve got a gun and they can shoot you if you do something stupid, right? Like you, you are [00:17:00] polite, you have prescripted ways of acting and everything like this. This is very normal for people to do. And the reason, one of the reasons why we do that is because we know very well what happens when we don’t do that.

That you can be shot, that things can escalate. But now suppose day after day for weeks or months, you made it part of your job to harass police officers trying to do their job. Like they’re out arresting other people and you are trying to park your car in front of theirs, or flailing or yelling or trying to, you know, you, you are doing this day after day after day, and you eventually reach a point where the idea of.

Like the, the police begin to look comical to you. It’s just a game to you, right? Mm-hmm. Like, you don’t think anymore, oh, I shouldn’t try to drive away from a police officer who’s pulled me over. Right? And I think that that’s what happened to her is she had repeatedly been, and, and when people say like, what was her job?

She was a poet, a professional poet, so she didn’t have a job. Right. Everybody knows that means you don’t [00:18:00] have a job. Right? I didn’t know that. Okay. Yeah, so she was like, she just dropped her kid off at daycare. So she did like do things other than protest, but it seemed like protesting was one of her main things.

So she, she had so rather

Simone Collins: than, rather than parent her kid,

Malcolm Collins: yeah. So she, she literally leaves her kid at daycare so she can spend her days protesting.

Simone Collins: That’s, I mean, I guess this, this isn’t anything new, like literally, that’s kind of the plot of Mary Poppins, but I, in this case, it’s probably not very good daycare and it’s not women’s suffrage, so

Malcolm Collins: I love that you, I love that you know that you’re, you’re fantastic by the way, but Mary poppin this, she’s brainwashed by Mary Poppins as a kid.

This is what they were talking about. Yeah. She just thinks

Simone Collins: this is what you do. You, you, you drop off the, the kids with a professional and then you go and you go and protest and agitate.

Malcolm Collins: Right.

Well, you see, it’s even worse if [00:19:00] she brings her kid to harass law enforcement officers. As you see in this next clip. For some people this is just very normalized. Their kids are, you know, shields for them. , And she didn’t even have him in the appropriate kids like jumper seat. He’s six years old. This is wild.

, How little does these people care about their own children?

Speaker 7: I have a 6-year-old right here in my car. In the car child. The danger it child, the danger.

Speaker 6: She’s hot too, so it’s okay.

This is

Speaker 7: active policing. It’s an asking. This is all on

Speaker 6: Who? They’re explain. They’re trying to explain it to her.

Speaker 7: 6-year-old. Right here in my car. Child in the car. Child endangerment. Child endangerment. Get your child.

Speaker 6: She brought her kid. To a federal ice. Uh, I

Speaker 7: wonderful. I’m very glad for it. Get your child outta here.

You, I can be right here. Uh, I’m happy right here, .

Speaker 6: Yeah. Enterprise seat with no car seat. Okay? Mm-hmm. Do me a favor. You can videotape all you like, but you have to stay, you cannot come past that driveway.

Malcolm Collins: But I think what a leftist says that this can happen to anyone the person who says that is too, both showing the immense privilege they [00:20:00] must have lived with and grown up with.

To think that you can. Hit a police officer with your car and not face ramifications while trying to escape. Right? But then to, or even just try to drive away from a police officer as you pulled over in a way that could hit a police officer. But two, because she’s clearly turning in the direction of the police officer to get around, right?

Like, I would be terrified if that was me in his position.

But then two that you have dehumanized or at least de like you see the police and ice as being. So like antithetical to your goals, these two organizations, that’s goal is to uphold law and order in society. Like that’s what this guy was doing.

Mm. What they were trying to arrest was Somali migrants, right? Like this was even specifically the migrant group that’s running all these frauds. Like this is the migrant group that like pretty much everyone else in the United States, all the other like, I think that’s, that’s what Trump needs to run on.

Like forget the Latin American migrants, you know. Latin American migrants don’t want the Somalian migrants here. Like, no, the Somalian migrants are like a problem for everyone.

[00:21:00] I think that we are beginning to realize that we were a little spoiled, and when I say we, I’ve always said this, to be complaining about Latin American immigrants. Latin American immigrants are effing awesome compared to 98% of. Immigrants we could be getting flooded with. , If you’re looking at the Somalian immigrant situation, , I don’t think any, like, we want Nigerian immigrants, we want Latin American immigrants, Polish immigrants, , but, Somalian immigrants.

I don’t know if there’s anyone who’s like, yeah, that’s, that’s great. Like, can we just say like that, this one category of immigrants, I don’t think anyone wants.

Malcolm Collins: Everyone’s like, okay, with this

Simone Collins: specific, they’re like, but they’re famous for being pirates. I mean, like

Malcolm Collins: what seems to have created ethnic cartels around fraud in autism, in daycares and just everything.

Right. And it is a group that is clearly not called in, in having multiple wives in an episode we talked to recently, and then pretending like they’re unmarried and so they can [00:22:00] all this. Welfare money you know, and, and this is money that’s not going to other people in our society who are genuinely in dire positions in their lives, right?

Yeah. Like the, the, the people who suffer are suffering more because of a community that is acting in a way that is just completely deleterious to our social ordering systems, right? So that’s who she’s attempting to, to protect. But that, that when ICE attempts to enforce the law, when people are doing their job, attempting to enforce the law, and there can be instances in which, and I’ve said this before, where it makes sense to, like, if the laws are just like wildly unjust to.

Get in the way of the law being carried out, right? Like there are systems where things can just become so unjust. And I always get very annoyed when people are like, it never makes sense to take the law into your own hands. And I’m like, so if your country went like full death camps and everything like that, you would do nothing.

You’d be like, I’m a guard at the camp. Like, I will not, I will never. Well,

Simone Collins: yeah, and, and that’s certainly [00:23:00] how people feel about the ice arrests.

Malcolm Collins: Right. But it is, and, and the, the reason they’re able to feel this, and we’ve talked about this in other episodes, is if you look at like what Antifa says or what the left says when they call over 50% of the voting public, because that’s who voted for Trump Nazis which they will say anyone who votes for Trump will say as a Nazi.

They are attempting to dehumanize them so that they can carry out these acts without actually thinking about the political positions at play here, like the wider. Systems of power or people being hurt or anything like that as a result of all of this, which is again, the, the most poor and vulnerable in our country that are hurt by just endless migrants that specifically are specializing in fraud.

Right? But the point here being is when they say that this could happen to anyone, they’re, they, they assume that everyone sees the police the way they do that everyone sees ice the way they do, and that everyone has lived with their level of privilege throughout their life, that they genuinely. Hold no [00:24:00] respect for these organizations.

And you see this in like the, you know, defund the police and everything like that, where when you go to black neighborhoods, they’re like, no, we want like, more police. Like, what, what are you talking about? Like, you see this in the surveys pretty clearly. This is a white run movement and it’s because they, and they neighborhoods do not need police.

Police are just like this othering thing to them, right? That are just like a weird outside, not part of their daily life. So I think that all of that’s really important. But now I wanna talk a little bit about her life because I find it weird that like, we don’t know anything. Like, or I’m just talking.

Yeah,

Simone Collins: no one’s talking about her.

Malcolm Collins: So she was married she had two kids. They got divorced, the husband got full custody. They’re staying really quietly, which is unusual. It’s unusual, it means that something, either she was being abusive or substance abuse issues, or it is incredibly rare for a woman to not get any custody.

Yeah.

Simone Collins: Or, or she voluntarily gave up custody, which is also unusual. But yeah, that’s it. It is notable that that is the case. [00:25:00]

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So then she remarries to another guy who was in the Air Force and died while serving, oh gosh, I believe or died due to something else. Anyway, he died. He did not a divorce.

And then she remarried who she’s married to now, which was another woman. But what’s actually uniquely effed up. Is, so the, the kid that she had was, was the Air Force guy, right? The the one who’s six. Okay? Mm-hmm. So that kid is not going to live with the woman she was married to. His other mom, he’s going to live with the paternal grandparents.

Simone Collins: Oh, that probably is for the best.

Malcolm Collins: Or the maternal grandparents, I guess, don’t you think? Well, no, I mean, for the best or not for the best. I think what it shows is she was in a relationship with somebody who did not consider themselves the mother to her kid. Right. Like, that is

Simone Collins: Oh, ah, in terms of estate planning.

Malcolm Collins: Well, yeah, if, if I remarried somebody like suppose you died and I remarried somebody. Well, yeah,

Simone Collins: there’s, there’s a variety of [00:26:00] reasons why this have may have been the case. I mean, one is, is they, they probably are the more financially stable party. Also, like boomers famously have way more money than the younger generations now.

It, it could also be that the, the new wife. Just never formally adopted this child, didn’t want to formally adopt this child. And if this woman who probably didn’t expect to die, she was 37 years old didn’t have a will or any sort of trust documents, then I, I think it would make sense. But she

Malcolm Collins: didn’t have a will.

The child would’ve gone to her spouse. I don’t, I I don’t know if No, if you don’t have a will, the child goes to your spouse. Like, that’s, that’s weird. Like that is, that is, I think that you’re right, that it, it shows that they. She chose to get in a relationship with somebody who didn’t fully want to adopt the role of parent to her kid.

And I remember this when my parents were divorced is my mom made, made it very, [00:27:00] very clear to me that the number one criteria when she was dating was to find a good father for us. Like that, that is what she considered first and foremost. And I always assumed. That, that is the most important thing.

If you have kids when you’re dating, if you or I was to die I, I’m sure you feel this way. I, I certainly feel this way. The number one criteria I would be looking for in a new wife is somebody who would be a good mom to the kids and was excited about being a good mom to the kids. There would be almost nothing else on my mind.

And so, you know, she was in a, a community and culture where that wasn’t the way that they viewed it. And I think that this is actually normal on the extreme left, right? The other thing about her that I think is really important is she was not an extremist from everything I can find, she was just a normal leftist, which is I think why, I dunno, she

Simone Collins: was a full-time poet.

That’s pretty unusual.

Malcolm Collins: I think that you’d be surprised by how many leftists don’t have jobs. I mean, I

Simone Collins: mean, no one has [00:28:00] jobs anymore. No one living off the system

Malcolm Collins: is, you know, that’s especially for women. So many women live off the system, but. It’s, it’s, it’s, it’s a very common thing these days.

And it’s something that you sort of need to do if you’re gonna be this type of full-time professional protestor. Mm-hmm. And so I, I, one I want to look at like, obviously this is a tragedy and everything like that. I’m not discounting that. And I do, I personally, now this is a second question.

Do I personally think that police or officers should have the ability. To shoot down somebody who’s fleeing a scene. Now note here, I’m not even saying if they put the officer’s life at risk, which she may have, I’m just saying broadly, should they that is not the law right now, but I think it should be, frankly.

I, I, I do not like this idea of if, if, if a police officer tells you to stop and you can clearly hear them and you are still running. I think, I don’t, I don’t see where you get a bunch of negative externalities by saying, okay, at that point the police officer can shoot. Because and somebody was like, well, what, like, you, you would [00:29:00] condone lethal force for that.

And it’s like, yes, why would I condone lethal force for that? Right? Because if as a society we broadly know that police officers could shoot you from fleeing the scene of a crime like running away when they have told you to stop. And. You know that everyone in society knows that like that’s something you would know pretty quickly in a society, and you still logically decide it’s worth it.

That means that you are an active threat to society. Because whatever you have done, whatever your fear of having that police officer catch you is it is so big that you think it’s worth dying over, which means it’s probably worth killing over or something else. That extreme, right? Mm-hmm. And in a society like that.

I think that you you, you have a, into a lot of these burgle, like we’ve talked about in New York, versus it’s the same burgle over and over, over again. It’s like, yeah, yeah. 30 people. Very small

Simone Collins: percentage of people who also, it’s, it’s, you’re teaching people as, as you’re pointing out basically a new system hack.

Malcolm Collins: Where Yeah, to not be afraid of police, to not [00:30:00] be afraid of the stuff. Yeah. Like,

Simone Collins: oh, like if you don’t want to get arrested, just drive away. There’s, they can’t do anything. Just like, well, I’ll shoplift and get arrested, but they’re just gonna let me go again, so I’ll just keep doing it. And that is a problem.

And that’s, that goes back to this recurring theme now, which just seems to be trending about broken systems being abused by people who are willing to abuse them. And we’re all trying to figure out what to do about that. Well, I mean,

Malcolm Collins: here’s, here’s a broken system you should not be able to stalk. As as said, she would stalk ice officers throughout the day and harass them and try to make their job harder.

If that is what you are doing was your days to somebody trying to carry out the law in a country, right? Yeah. If you’re actively,

Simone Collins: well, isn’t there? I’m pretty sure that legally. You’re not allowed to harass people. Well, I mean, they, what they do stop, harass. Right?

Malcolm Collins: And they’ve got teams of lawyers to figure this out for them, is they take it exactly as far as they legally can.

Oh. And try to, and, and this is the problem, right? [00:31:00] The fact in the same way that we normalized running away from convenience stores and eventually that’s gonna end in people getting shot, right? Mm-hmm. We normalized making your day job harassing. You know, law enforcement officers, right? Like that is something that we never should have normalized as society.

And that is something that as an administration, I think they need to be, personally, I’d be just way more aggressive about if I was a Republican maker right now, like if you had one and I was giving you advice, I would pass bills to make it so that there are very serious jail time for people who are harassing law enforcement officers.

Well, I

Simone Collins: think it’s. Like that, that this, that is how these things often end up, and I think whoever’s astroturfing supporting whatever, what this is on the left is not taking into account unless they’re actively trying to do harm to the very people that they’re engaging with. When these systems get pushed too far, what ends up [00:32:00] happening is so much worse than the thing being protested at present.

Look at El Salvador, right? They were a little too lax on crime enforcement, and then they just are like mass arrested people. Is that where we wanna go? ‘cause. Things could get pushed to that, and that’s what I’m concerned about too.

Malcolm Collins: That would actually be a good episode if you want the, the luxury prisons of El Salvador because the prison system is actually really nice and well sought through.

Even though it’s painted,

Simone Collins: there seems to be a bifurcation and I do wanna look into it more because I’ve watched long YouTube videos that are tours of the El Salvadorian prisons that are just amazing. They’re, they’re. Teaching technical skills, they are doing really good things and, and, and I think setting people up for success after they are released.

And yet, I don’t know, in mainstream media, and this could just be due to bias. I hear these stories about people packed in like sardines and terrible conditions and all these other horrible things. So I would like to look into that a little more. But [00:33:00] the, the broader thing is similarly with what you see in other environmental scenarios.

When things grow unchecked for too long, the correction is very violent. When corrections are smaller and more regular, the they are less violent. You see this with earthquakes, for example. If you have a lot of, you know, small, small earthquakes with, with a, a transverse fault or any other kind of fault, you’re, you’re going to have smaller earthquakes and less damage done.

If a lot of. Kinetic pressure is built up over a long period of time. You’re gonna get a huge earthquake. Same with a population of a bacteria or swamp moss or some, some animal. Growing in an environment without any check. An invasive species we’ll say. It will grow and grow and grow, and you’ll get what’s called a J curve in its population, and then suddenly it will crash when it, it reaches critical mass and just has this massive die out because the environment can no longer support it.

Just from a, a [00:34:00] general how things work perspective, this getting too extreme without being corrected, without being subject to checks is going to lead to very, very violent corrections. So similar with economic market bubbles, right? When they go out of control, the correction is equally painful. So, yeah, I worry about this because it is, we are, we are entering a very strange period in which people seem to think that these really extreme actions are justified and allowed to be performed with impunity.

But keep in mind, this isn’t the same state where we have the Soli daycare fraud and we have Tim Walls who famously didn’t bring in the National Guard to stop out of control protests. So. This, it, this isn’t exactly new, but it’s worrying.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I think what you say here when you talk about the it’s, it’s my parable of the scorpion and the snake, and I told this to a German reporter and the [00:35:00] parable of the scorpion and the snake goes like this.

I am an American looking at Germany right now. And in Germany there is a panda bear and a scorpion and a snake. Okay. And. The scorpion and the snake are the Islamists and the white nationalists. Okay. Like the, the, the, the, the people who are like neo-Nazis in Germany and the Islamists in Germany. Right.

Like the, the, the German nationalists. So I, I talked to the reporter who’s obviously a leftist, right? And I, I, I say to them, I go. Okay, so there are many Muslims in Germany who are acculturating to German culture. All right? But you know, and I know these Muslims have far fewer kids, right? And they’re like, yeah, they have far fewer kids.

And the ones who are not acculturating to Germany and actively. Hate your way of life. Have way more kids, right? And the everyone who’s being sane is like, yes, that’s, that’s happening. Okay? Mm-hmm. And people adopt their parents’ beliefs disproportionately. And then I’m like, and you’ve got a lot of white people in Germany, right?

A lot of Germans in Germany. And of those Germans in Germany [00:36:00] a a lot of them get along perfectly well with the Muslim population. That’s, that’s being massive imported in. And they’re like, yes. And I’m like, and that portion is having way fewer kids than the ones who want to violently extradite.

The Muslim population and they’re like, yes, that is also true. And I’m like, so you’re a bit, we have a situation where the Scorpion or the neo-Nazis is saying. I wanna deport all of these, these Muslims, because if you leave us alone here with them, you know, we’ve done it in the past. One of us is gonna massacre the other group, and the Muslims are saying, oh yeah, I plan to massacre this group.

Like we work to real law on them, right? And then in the middle, you have a panda bear. It’s like, no, no, no, no, no. I can stop this. Meanwhile, the panda bear is bringing over more scorpions, right to the, to the, the same level as the number of snakes, right? Like, and I’m like, but panda bear, you’re constantly being stung and bitten, like you’re not gonna be here forever.

Everyone knows that, even you know that. So you are more responsible for what happens with the [00:37:00] scorpions and the snakes. Then the snakes are, because the snakes have already told me. I want to get, I wanna get all the scorpions out of our country. Right? Like I, they’re, they’re like, if you do not get all the scorpions out of the country, we’re gonna have to violently extract them.

Right? Like the snake is what a snake is. The scorpion is what a scorpion is, right? Like their ideology is clear. It is the snake that is proposing the least. Ideologically crazy thing right now, the least violent thing right now because they stop the bloodshed when the panda dies. If we take care of this, while Panda is still here, but if the panda is gone and we allow the snakes to take care of this on their own, it is not going to be a pretty stunt because the snakes.

Only want to deport them because killing them is politically unfavorable right now. And you know that and I know that, right? And I think that in the United States, we have to be realistic about this too. If they are groups coming in and the people that are still having kids are eventually gonna be at a point where we’re just like, we don’t want these groups in our country.

[00:38:00] Right? Like the, the nicest way to handle this is to prevent them from immigrating in the first place. And you do that through strict immigration enforcement and just making it unpalatable to immigrate here, you make it extremely palatable to immigrate here if you make it very easy to set up family-based scams, which they’ve done in Minnesota for Somali migrants, right?

Mm-hmm. So I think that in, in a big way as, as I’ve said. You know, it’s a bit like somebody keeps letting homeless people in your house. Like your roommate is like, well, you know, when it was my turn, because you share, one of you takes house management for a year. The other one takes house management the next year and one year.

They just keep letting in homeless people and you’re like. Buddy, I’m gonna have to kick all these homeless people out. Like you, you understand that, right? And they’re like, no, and I’ve decided they’re gonna get a portion of your pay. And, and you’re like, but you know, I’m gonna be in power again eventually.

Right? It’s not my fault when I’m in power again, that when I tell them homeless people, okay, you guys have to leave. And they then they’re like, no, I don’t have to leave, and then I have to call the cops on them, and then they have to be violently [00:39:00] dragged out and one of them gets injured and they go, look at you because of you.

That person got injured. It’s like, no, it’s not because of me, it’s because of you, because you filled this out with homeless people. You knew the result of this. You knew what the results of your actions would be, and you just didn’t care because in the moment it made you look like a good guy.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: Not, not good long-term thinking

Malcolm Collins: and that’s what happened. Well, no, they’re aware of this. They’re aware of this long-term. They don’t care about long-term repercussions. And this is a whole other conversation. ‘cause I remember I was talking with an extreme leftist reporter once and I was like, well you can see that long-term what you’re doing is going to cause more harm, right?

Like X, Y, and Z. And they’re like, you know, I just realized I don’t like, I’ve never really like just a moment of introspection. I’ve never really cared what the long term consequences of a policy are. Mm-hmm. I care about what the PO policy consequences are today. Right. And I think that that is downstream of a lot of leftist, morality, ideology, and sort of metaphysical frameworks.

Hmm. So, the, the terrible thing being normalized here is, is thinking of, because when you think of law enforcement officers, like they’re a [00:40:00] joke and the type of people that you can just drive away from in a way where you are turning into them while they’re on their feet and you’re in your car when they’re trying to pull you over, that is, that is behavior that was normalized in a mindset that was normalized because of the ways that protestors have been treating ice agents, which we never should have normalized.

Simone Collins: Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: I’d also note here the other thing that’s been really weird. Who are you gonna say, Simone?

Simone Collins: I just wonder if, if this woman who.

I, I guess, botch to martyr could go and see the coverage of her death and, and the response to her death. Would she still be loyal to her movement?

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Because I think that she too would see white women as inherently worth less than other groups. And to feel uncomfortable was a white woman being seen as a martyr, was in the [00:41:00] movement.

Mm-hmm.

You know, they, they are constant, keep in mind, they are used to, whenever they get in one of their struggle groups or something like that, sublimating their own needs to whoever is winning that particular. Olympics hierarchy, you know? Mm-hmm. That, that particular you know, so she’s used to having to, to hold space for lesbian, black women or whatever.

Simone Collins: Okay. Yeah. I guess, yeah, I just, I, I just felt so bad for her when I saw that, like even her own side is like, I don’t, I feel, but I guess yeah, she would, she would be that woman. Yeah, if she were still alive and was someone else, I guess she would be saying that, I guess, per, per the, the average response of people within this, this culture.

And that’s very sad.

Malcolm Collins: It is sad. And I’m, I, I mean, I am increasingly glad that. As, as this sort of timeline has gone on. If people know when we started this channel, we were entirely apolitical. When we started the mo if anything, we, we leaned leftists. Right? And that was not that long ago, right?

When we [00:42:00] started the the prenatals movement, like this was like around COVID. We were, we were very centri centrist. Yeah. We do a spicy take here and there, but we were centrist, right? On, on the leftist side of things. And we have moved more and more to the right, and fairly early on we took this position where, you know, we’re just like, you know what?

We’re gonna start identifying as Trump supporters, as maga as you know, and we are going to try to stand this ideology, right? And

Simone Collins: try to, we just, I mean, it was what aligned more with what we saw to be reasonable, right?

Malcolm Collins: Right. But I was like, we chose a aside. Right. And early on, you, you’ve gotta understand if you’re coming from an urban rental cultural background, which both of us are, if you’re coming from like the, at taxi, I felt very uncomfortable because so often in my life.

Political movements have gone out and done crazy or evil things, right? Mm-hmm. Like I, you know, you, you couldn’t really, like growing up if you wanted to like fully stand the conservative side or the leftist side, each one would do stupid things all the [00:43:00] time, right? And you’d be like, Ugh. Like, do I really need to?

Be defending this a-hole right now, you know? And there have been very few instances where I have felt that way. After we made the decision, like the rights who were gonna back where I felt like, for example, if they had gone like anti IVF, like the Trump administration

could have had,

I would feel like, well, I, I really made a mistake, right?

Like that, that is directly against my interest and I am disappointed. And I need to be like, I, I severely disagree with them or, if they hadn’t taken the immigration issue seriously. Or if they, you know, there’s, there’s so many things. But, but I just haven’t you know, seen those. Even something like the shooting, it’s like, I understand it in context, right?

Like, I, frankly, I’m not like mortified. And, and that’s the way a lot of people aren’t on the right. They’re like. What was she thinking? Like that everybody knew that this is the type of thing that can get you killed.

Mm-hmm.

Was it, was it legal? Was it Right? All of those things, you know? But in the moment, do I understand how something like this could happen?

How an officer could make a decision like that? Yeah, of [00:44:00] course. Now the, the reason why I say that is it’s just, it’s so weird and refreshing feeling to me is to just constantly be like, wow, I, I actually. Because I thought I’d have to like, swallow my, my position on a lot of things, you know? And I just haven’t seen it.

You know, I, I haven’t seen.

Simone Collins: You have no obligation to be loyal to any particular side.

Malcolm Collins: Well, no. But you have an obligation to, when you support a movement to take responsibility, if that movement acts in a way that you think is deleterious to society because. If we had told, you know, we, we take a side and we’re arguing and acting as you know, sort of, reporters with, you know, that bias, right?

And then that side wins and they do bad things. You know, you’re partially responsible for that. I always hate when people are like, well, you know, I don’t always need to, you know, if he goes out and does something stupid tomorrow I’m gonna call him stupid. And I’m like, but if you told your followers to vote for him, then you’re in part responsible for the stupid thing he does tomorrow.

Simone Collins: Yeah, that’s fair.

Malcolm Collins: But like the Maduro thing that was [00:45:00] so effing cool, I was like, how do we handle this situation, Venezuela, in a way that it’s and I think that they’re handling it really appropriately and maturely. Which is not something I expect. I’m like, this is, this is good. Watch our video on that if you want, if you wanna get a, a full breakdown on our thoughts on that.

And love you, Simone. I love that. Now there is a conspiracy that we are a family of dark magic wielding vampires That is. Everything I ever wanted from life. Life is good. I owe that man so much. I love people who were like, Malcolm, you’re gonna be be mad about this. And I’m like, no, no, no, no, no. That is because, and I think one of the commenters pointed it out really well when they were trying to explain why he was saying that stuff about why

Simone Collins: Kurt Metzger had crazy conspiracy theories about you on the Joe Rogan podcast last week.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Why, why he did it. Number one podcast in the world is they said this guy is fundamentally a leftist who has infiltrated right wing spaces, and he is trying to undermine the right-wing coalition [00:46:00] because I put out, I’m like, why is he attacking me for not being the right kind of Christian when he’s not a Christian?

Right? Like when like, oh, their Christianity is weird, and, and, and people are like. Oh, he’s doing that because he doesn’t like that. On the, right now, we are seeing an alliance of Mormons and Orthodox Jews and weird religious people like us. And we’re all just like, yeah, I don’t care that they’re different from us.

You know, you know, like we have, we have differences and we’ll argue about them and we’ll debate them and we’ll make jokes at each other. But the jokes are more like the jokes that like. A diverse friend group would make like the racist jokes you make when you’re hanging out with your like group that’s like got the black guy and the Asian guy and everything like that.

And everyone’s always being racist. They, they are not like the, the, the, he’s, he’s trying to drive that wedge in people’s minds. And, and fortunately I think it’s pretty unsuccessful. And it just makes us look cooler.

Simone Collins: It’s pretty cool. I’m not gonna disagree with you. I was entertained. I hope everyone else was too, [00:47:00]

Malcolm Collins: but not even being, you know, he doesn’t even call us any type of vampires.

Like we’re not like lame vampires, like Twilight Vampires.

Simone Collins: We are dark shadows sparkle. Don’t you ever insult sparkles? Sparkles are wonder Dark

Malcolm Collins: shadows. Vampires are the because, because if you’re familiar with the dark shadows, you know. They didn’t actually do anything wrong. Like, they didn’t like create an alliance with the devil or anything like that.

They were cursed by somebody who was evil, a witch, like a, a dark magic practitioner. And that’s where they come from. And they are like, the main one is a really like studious family guy. Right. And that’s the one who, the cullins one. Right. You know? And that’s who we’re accused of being. I’m like, okay, good, good.

That’s the, the family man vampire.

Simone Collins: Anyway, love you. The family values vampire family.

Malcolm Collins: The family values vampire. That’s what we are. Sexy, vampire man. That sexy vampire lady,

Speaker 11: You know, you should have stayed and fought that sexy vampire lady.

Malcolm Collins: I gotta put the scene from.

Simone Collins: Not an energy vampire. Not a s sparkly [00:48:00] vampire, not a trust you. New Orleans Vampire. Okay, I got it.

Malcolm Collins: The trashy New Orleans vampire is a thing though.

You, you, you called that one, right?

Simone Collins: And you, you never watch True Blood. I, I, it’s pretty decent. But yeah, I’m actually, and then there’s, I think the new interview with the vampire reboot series also takes place in New Orleans.

Malcolm Collins: There, there have not been hot vampire things in a while. I’m just gonna point out like, I think,

Simone Collins: well, except I think the new interview with the Vampire series, they just made them gay.

So

Malcolm Collins: the look, the, and this is the problem, right? Like. Vampires used to be hot like vampires. Lo what? What?

Simone Collins: Oh, women love ywe. Don’t, don’t, don’t you even come from me. Yeah. Okay. Vampires are pretty women like vampires, women like Ywe. I, I don’t think that they made a poor strategic decision. I don’t think that was a put a chicken in and make her gay and lame.

That was a, that was [00:49:00] a, that was a women like vam, women like vampires, women like Ywe. Let’s make some money. Okay. I think it’s, I think it’s fine. I, I think we need to differentiate between gayness on tv, that’s fan service versus gayness. That’s. DEI, if that makes sense. You know what I mean? That’s

Malcolm Collins: a really good, that’s a, there’s not a bunch of lesbians and male porn because of DEI, let me tell you that.

Yeah. Yes, yes. That’s a good way to put it. It’s like somebody goes to PornHub and they’re like, this site is so DEI look at all the lesbian, oh, play, but what, what DEI, nonsense is. Yeah, yeah,

yeah.

You know? So are you gonna say it’s okay if our daughters have ywe porn? Not even, no manga. Manga. Like they have, they read the, because women don’t even read it in porn form.

It’s like, you know, they walk around and say, women carry their porn around. They have

Simone Collins: like their, yeah. I mean they, I, I feel like I in, in one of the more sexually innocent people out in the world and I absolutely had [00:50:00] yow manga falling out of my backpack in high school. I don’t. See the problem here.

Malcolm Collins: We got, we, I, I, I, I actually think that’s totally okay, by the way.

We will do separate episode. I

Simone Collins: super cute. Oh, like, and then like, I’ll think the yi, I mean that Yi anime with the ice skaters. That was originally Monga, wasn’t it? Well, yeah, and,

Malcolm Collins: and separating, oh my gosh, arousal from you know. Reproduction was another thing I wanted to do a full episode on at some point, which is like, you should think of sex as like, I want to impregnate that person.

Like that’s the point you episode,

Simone Collins: didn’t you?

I think

Malcolm Collins: we did. No, we never did the episode. And I wanna do it because it’s something I feel very strongly about is like, yeah,

Simone Collins: no, I think that’s very important. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Is, is, is this is a desire that you feel an evolutionary context because of impregnation and when you change the word.

She’s hot to, I want to impregnate her or that’s hot to, I want to impregnate that you can quickly realize, oh this is just an arousal pathway, you know, doing its own thing. And I can engage with that for entertainment, but that’s not really what it’s [00:51:00] for. Right? Because the moment you say that about like a furry or something like that, you’re like, oh.

I can’t impregnate that or you say that about a cartoon character. I can’t impregnate that. Therefore, this is a system not operating as it’s meant to, and it should be considered wholly recreational within this context. No, other than like a video game or something. And that makes it easier to sort of sublimate and move to this.

Simone Collins: Yeah. This might I’m, I’m, I’m working on a, an episode outline on, on Peacocking that might work well with that, so we’ll see. Okay. Okay. All right, good. I love

you.

Okay. Your mic isn’t on,

but did you catch that that Alexa has tone?

Malcolm Collins: Can you hear me

Simone Collins: audio Now I can.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I did. I thought that was interesting. I didn’t like it.

Simone Collins: It was, you didn’t. It’s

Malcolm Collins: cute. It seemed very inauthentic and it made you seem inauthentic because it was your interpret, like her interpretation of your words. [00:52:00] Also, I don’t understand why Alexa interpret.

So keep in mind what the app is doing. It is translating what you are saying. Yeah. Into text. Into text, yeah. Then re putting it out as audio. Yeah. Why not just put out what you said.

Simone Collins: I don’t know because when our kids say stuff, it makes it hilarious ‘cause a woman is saying it instead.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I’m gonna try to get the site update done tonight. Daddy

Simone Collins: poo

Malcolm Collins: system overhaul for stability to get it. So much more stable, which I’m really excited about for, for our theft. ‘Cause I’ve been really annoyed with some stability issues on Saved stuff.

I’m

Simone Collins: basically their UN side.

Malcolm Collins: I have

Simone Collins: to say I

Malcolm Collins: love the reaction to the Joe Rogan episode. That was hilarious. I love that. That happened. Like it’s such a crazy thing. That is the biggest gift. If you could go back to me in the past and you’re like, Malcolm, the number one podcast in the world has the conspiracy that you run the [00:53:00] Illuminati and are of the.

Are either a vampire or practice dark magic

Simone Collins: why not both?

Malcolm Collins: And I’d be like, that is the coolest timeline. That that timeline must be awesome. Right? Like that is, and I, I’d honestly say like in a lot of ways we are in a really cool timeline right now. Like just the stuff that’s happening is crazy in a lot of what

Simone Collins: you act as though this isn’t the coolest timeline.

Beyond even our wildest imagination.

Malcolm Collins: I agree. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, ai, as I’ve said to people, literally, if we as a species discovered magic over the course of my lifetime it would have less impact on people’s daily life than the discovery of AI is going to.

Yeah.

Like, like literally, I would rather live in this timeline as like an agentic person than live in the magic discovery timeline as somebody who’s uniquely attuned to magic.

Yeah. You know, that, that that is, that is what it is to be uniquely attuned to magic in the AI timeline. Just being an agentic person.

Simone Collins: Yeah. Yeah. It’s not like Harry Potter gets to go to Mars. [00:54:00] Right. Not that I, I honestly have zero interest in going into space. I am, I’m, I’m delighted for humanity to take to the stars, but.

We have to spread.

Malcolm Collins: We have to spread. We have to conquer the solar system. Yeah, no, we, we will take

Simone Collins: our manifest destiny in the stars. And I was just talking with Octavian about it today. I am like, no, you should obviously wanna go into space. ‘cause he was like, I don’t feel like going into space. And I’m like, wrong, wrong,

Malcolm Collins: wrong answer.

Well, you know what, we might actually end up having. As a species, especially if birth rates stay low and oh my God, this could be a whole other episode, which is really interesting of the concept. Oh,

okay. Yeah.

Is what human interstellar colonization may look like if it turns out that you just, like, there’s not many high fertility groups out there.

Yeah. And we end up stabilizing fertility rates and the technologically competent groups and the rest of the groups, we basically treat like they’re in a zoo which is sort of the way we already treat like the Amish and, and, and some like ab tribes that are like, well, that’s kind of also

Simone Collins: how, how it’s.

Framed in Elvis Huxley. Brave new world,

Malcolm Collins: but the human [00:55:00] interstellar colonization is completely done by ai. Oh yeah. For the service of sending minerals and resources and energy back to the home planet. So, you know, we may have a giant interstellar empire one day, but the entire biological human population lived on earth in extreme luxury.

Which would be, I, I, I, I do think that that’s increasingly possible, and that’d be such a weird, it, it, it’s a much easier future. I mean, space travel is much easier on AI than it is on organic life, like mm-hmm. Space travel is actually really hard on organic life for a number of reasons. I mean, we’re not really built for it.

You need to genetically modify humans for long-term space travel. Oh, for sure. Sure. You basically need to create. One, an entirely new subspecies of humanity. For, and you

Simone Collins: don’t mean inferior by sub, you just mean a different category.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, a different category. That, that was specifically specialized for space travel.

IE being hit by your occasional, you know, you know, I forget what it’s the, on things, those purples.

Simone Collins: Yeah. The [00:56:00] bad, the bad stuff.

Malcolm Collins: The bad stuff, you know, dealing with the radiation, with face poppers, dealing the the, the organs and stuff like that that work in zero G and everything like that. Yeah.

And then for every planet that we colonized, you’d likely need a new subspecies of humans to be designed for that planet. Mm-hmm. This is in part why I like when people get overly focused on like. Race is like a long-term thing. I’m like, it’s just not gonna matter. Right? Like, so stupid. It’s so stupid.

Or when they’re like, we’ll, never genetically, and people are gonna

Simone Collins: look back at that and be like, wait,

Malcolm Collins: what? Yeah. And like, you obviously will genetically engineer humans.

Simone Collins: No, no. They’re gonna see us all as just like this, this one super constrained, cohesive thing. Like the fact that it, it would be as though I think they’re gonna look at it the same way.

Like we would look at eye color differentiation. Why would you care that he has blue eyes and you have green eyes? Why does that matter?

Malcolm Collins: No, no. I mean, I think that this is where it gets more [00:57:00] crazy is you know, if you’re like, oh I think that like my ethnic group is historically better than like ex other ethnic group, right?

Yeah. That it has

Simone Collins: to do more with historical affiliation.

Malcolm Collins: But, but you would agree. So like let’s say you’re a white person or an Asian, right? Like what if you could take. You know, some African genes and then use them like genes that are unique to African populations and use them to get some advantage, like even within your life.

Mm-hmm. Like, I’m not talking about intergenerationally. I’m like, you can just genetically augment yourself. Right? Like, we get to the point where you can do that. And somebody might be like, well, you know, I would never do that. And it’s like, well, what, what about. Asian or white guy. What about genes for height?

You know, what about genes for running faster? What about genes for running longer? What about, I mean, then they’re like, oh, okay. You know, maybe those genes. And once you realize that in the future when you can genetically augment living adults you’re going to have the, the idea of like. One ethnic, you’re just gonna have, everybody knows this genetic cluster is better for this type of outcome.

And so you’re gonna have people [00:58:00] optimizing around outcomes like creativity or mathematical intelligence or pure intelligence instead of, or at least the people from the populations that are engaging with this technology e the population to control science and the economy. Anyway, I’ll get started on this.

Simone Collins: Okay, let me start feeding him just so he’s not. Angry. Well hangry. Okay. Go for it.

Malcolm Collins: Hello, Simone. I’m excited. Wait, sorry.

Simone Collins: Wait, wait. You have to just a moment for to see if he settles or.

Okay, go for it.

Speaker 12: All right. Octavian going to the first thing you wanted to take over hard, no matter what you do. Yes. I’m this. I’m this. So Greenland and then Iceland.

Speaker 13: What? Why do you wanna take over Greenland? [00:59:00] ‘cause that’s the easiest. That’s the easiest one. Yeah, I gonna go see for the troops and the civilians and then hard for the troops and civilians. So you think Greenland is gonna be the easy one? This M1, you see this M1? Wait, so you’re going for Russia next? Yeah.

Speaker 12: Or is that China? Which, hold on, I Wait, are Which way? Which are you going to Right here? My word’s right there. Go in. That’s. That’s China. China. I’m taking note for China. The country here. And that’s a lot of countries. That’s a continent. Yeah. I’m gonna take all the countries in the world, so Yeah. So we don’t have to worry about getting attacked by other country and dying.

Texas isn’t so sure about this. Texas concerned. Texas is concerned. But you can do it, buddy. [01:00:00] I mean, you are Octavian after all. Yeah.

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