"I think it's so important to legitimize just being able to talk about life in all its dimensions, good and bad," he says. "We're all human and all in this together."
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Author and Air Force officer Mark Jacobsen joins Joe to discuss failure. Specifically, what it looks like, feels like, and how we can grow from it. Additionally, Mark talks with Joe about innovation and entrepreneurship, grappling with identity in the military, and his new book, Eating Glass: The Inner Journey Through Failure and Renewal.