DevSecOps and Security

I'm gonna start with Jason always where he's starting right now I you said dem psych ops you want to try that again? What is dem psych ops cuz I know of DevOps and and everything else is BS. But so I have a slightly different problem than the one you're you're addressing. It it seems like the point of DevSecOps is the show show up and say hey guys Security is relevant Like look at me. We're separate from you guys and it's just DevOps Security should be built into the process Why are we giving it its own name? And that's a question. How many upset people are actually developers or have any knowledge about what development means Okay