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Elliott Cherry: "The hardest part about having the fifth kid is the other four."

Dadville with Dave Barnes and Jon McLaughlin

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You Can't Blow It Up Like You Can, Ellie.

"I think you can lean two directions with that energy, right? You can double down and go, I am unique and I want to be seen as unique," he says. "But then the other way is what you do and what I think John does really well and what I try to do, which is I have a discipline around being like you." He adds: "If I'm already validated and I go to the pulpit, then like I can just, I can be free!"

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