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00:00 - Intro and debate framing
04:18 - Ground rules and purpose of the discussion
08:42 - Opening statement β Ruslan
20:11 - Opening statement β Joel
31:36 - Initial response and framing disagreement
39:54 - Rebuttal β Ruslan on scripture and theology
52:08 - Rebuttal β Joel on natural law and design
01:04:27 - Defining race, ethnicity, and biblical categories
01:17:09 - Scripture engagement and hermeneutics clash
01:29:44 - Logical consistency and category errors challenged
01:42:31 - Open debate and cross examination
02:03:18 - Audience pressure points and moral implications
02:18:52 - Clarifications, concessions, and unresolved tensions
02:34:06 - Closing statement β Ruslan
02:42:19 - Closing statement β Joel
