Mitchell: I think just after this episode with Sam Arbusman, who is like, I'm of two minds here, right? Like the fact that software creates incredible amounts of value, the business dynamics are incredible. And as capital executives and venture investors, like we're trying to find those business businesses, because their boats are going to be bigger too. Mitchell: We'll see a re centering a venture towards hard tech. A lot more people get excited about it as they see material physical change in the real world.

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