You've got some of the old school podcasting juice like oh Eric Fisher yeah he was back when you know it was on my zoom device. The thing is what do you do promote your show especially now because it's harder than ever before. What advice would you give somebody who's just kept starting out? Pick the right guests and hopefully you know their name recognition will carry enough weight to at least get somebody interested if they've never checked it out number two kind of working it into maybe a weekly newsletter let them know what that episode the most recent one is about slip that in there say hey if you're interested we goWe dive deeper into this topic of this newsletter on this episode with so

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