I want to talk a little bit about ye all this in light of something you haven an interesting theme here. I think the work that got me into these deep questions in the first place was a paper i read with martin noak and david crackower on the evolution of language back in my senior animal communications semonar at the university of kansas. And so when we're talking about onow error o thresholds and turnover rates, you've got this beautiful analogy that i love in this book which is the sea squirt. So there is a deep connection here between all this and thi piece that was explored at great depth in our 20 18 siminar, and developmental biases in evolution

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