"We're lucky because we were still relatively high, not like the big peaks and deeper into the chaos," he says. "You can't walk. You just you like to like a cripple for a few minutes." The helicopter was able to pull us out in the middle of the day with jungle heat and the heat of the day,. But we weighed all that. And I didn't listen to the cup. We just rolled the dice because it was so dark at that point".