How Do You Deviate From Consensus?

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We seem to be in an error in which the belief in consensus is becoming increasingly polarized. How do you suggest people your taking the liberty to think through things themselves and to deviate from consensus? The question of whether the pattern by which covet 19 entered the world in woa and spread from wuhan to china looks kind of suspicious, right? That's not a question that you need a degree in molecular biology to assess. And i feel like we witness the challenge of resolving it every day on the internet. I'm not going to claim im to have some perfect solution.

Ross Douthat, a columnist for The New York Times, has long advocated for a brand of reform conservatism that stands in stark contrast to Trumpism. His latest book, The Deep Places: A Memoir of Illness and Discovery, chronicles his long struggle with Lyme disease.

In this week’s conversation, Ross Douthat and Yascha Mounk discuss why the expert consensus sometimes fails, when to listen to outsiders, and whether the failures of the establishment help to explain the rise of populism.

This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity.

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