I was really intrigued by the moment in which you said I'm going to keep this at a high level because basically that moment of pure connection between you and the person that you were trying to help was so sacred. And for me, the reason why I loved main stage presentations versus a podcast like this, you're actually pulling on great threads. It's almost like society is forcing us to pick sides. The third option is core values and aligning our interests around a set of values that are good for humans.

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