The hard problem is how do you know what's going to be the next thing that no else is doing? Can't so my some of my advice to the young is I'm trying to work on project or place area where there's no name for what it is that you do. Where it takes some time. So like 10 years ago. If you were in this business right now, you'd be. Having trouble to explain to your mother what it was you do because you're saying well it's kind of like radio, but it's not quite radio is kind of like a TV interview with the TV. You got the documentary that's just an audio and now we call it a podcast

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