DevOps and Change Management

I've been doing tivoli stuff right IBM tivoli and so I was able to sort of look at both worlds. And it wasn't until a little bit deeper into my dev ops journey where I realized, oh my goodness, like everything we've been saying is really been talked about in lean. That's the positive thing about learners, right? Is that you either come into it and say we've already done that before it is no sense doing that or you come in like you guys did.