Kojima: I think this is the game that started to create, like it created a fork in the Metal Gear Solid kind of timeline almost in how he approaches games. Two was like, all right, I've got something to say and I wanna try and tackle these very heady subject matter  and do it in a way that's subversive. This game was- And the parody, you forgot the parody. The payo he, various drugs, like Alakasleap, he loves McDonald's,. So that kind of a, I think it's like two is where like, or like Kojima and writing team, because obviously he writes these games with different people

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