podcasters like you can influence people in such a way. People go, ok, i had heard one thing, now i'm hearing something else from someone i trust. And so when you're actively talking about this, i think that has sort of grass roots downstream effect. It's funny, after ave been sober for so many years, and obviously my family tive of that, you knows, in a real bad way earlier in life. But when i did my first iwaska retreat, i ame two and a half years ago or something, i never mentioned it to my parents,. My mam hates it an i talk about her my pi, i'm always like,

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