Both the fundamentalist Christian community on this issue and the liberal progressive community, they're both out of the field of value. What we do is we glom on to value for identity. That's the source of all polarization. And I'm saying I am that and I am that. Ignoring what I really am. We just described a different world now. In other words, polarization comes from the inability to realize that it's not a contradiction. It's a paradox in which both sides are actually holding value. This is where this is where all goes wrong in culture."

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