We all have to buy so much in the course of our lives and often buy much more than we actually need. What do you think is the chance that we can push back against this consumerism like not be expected or not feel like we need to buy so many things all the time? We're at sort of a unique spot in this system because I do get the sense that there is like a level of exhaustion on an individual level with what is being asked of people by this system. Those companies tend to fail. They tend to go back down.

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