I like to think we've made so much moral progress that we're inculcating into our minds, these moral values that don't need a higher power to reinforce them. You shouldn't treat blacks and women and Jews a certain way just because. It's sort of a Rawlsian or a Kantian, you know, people should not be a means to an end, they're an end in themselves. So what do you need religion for? Yeah. Any idea that you can teach those fundamental values in different ways? But also governments,. How come America is so much more religious than Europe? It still is, even though that gap is closing.

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