Introduction

Stephen wornheim is a senior fellow at the carnegie endowment for international peace and a historian of us. He's an expert on the international order itself, how we came to be here, what us grant's strategy is in this moment, and on why citizens should care about it. We talk to him about happening in ukrane right now and how policy makers are responding. How do you view the collective west's response so far regarding sanctions and arming ukrane? Have we gone too far? Not far enough? Just right? Where are you at?