Frameless Packs With Hip Belts?

The hip belt allows you to really cinch that lumbar and it pays to put weight at the bottom, otherwise it matters less. I keep, i keep the hip belt on most of my autom packs. It is an option that people like to remove. There's quite a few through hikers that will pack a frameless pack without a hip or use a framelesspack without a hip belt at all. And in that case it doesn't matter as much.