The NSO group has kind of started by two best friends buddies. Over the course of 10 years, they've really beat out a lot of other beat out or outlasted other competition. They have what no one else has - every Israeli has to serve in the military. And they recruit directly from that unit. It's like tech bro is the same whether they're from Israel or whether from the U.S. or anywhere.
Danny and Derek welcome Rose Reid and Nando Vila, co-hosts of the new podcast Shoot the Messenger: Espionage, Murder & Pegasus Spyware. They discuss mass surveillance, (the totally legal) Pegasus spyware, how the grisly murder of Jamal Khashoggi fits into this, the vulnerability of journalists, and more.
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