Complexity is the defining origin of anti fragility. And complicated things are all ultimately fragile. If we have a situation where complicated systems subsume their complex substrat then this means continue to grow, right? So basically we're converting the complexity of the natural world into the complicated, dult world. And its continuing to it will eventually collapse. Ray: We've got an in easingly interconnected, complicated world that is increasingly more complicated,. Where the failures anywhere can trigger failures in more places because nowhere can actually make its own stuff any more. This makes you possible to have a biosphere like the one that we've lived in - but if i am trying to solve these two different