In the year since President Trump roared back to power, one of the most surprising story lines of his second term has been a series of public ruptures between him and the movement he created.

Robert Draper, who covers domestic politics for The New York Times, discusses the growing tensions inside the MAGA movement and what they tell us about what the American right might look like in a post-Trump world.

Guest: Robert Draper, who covers domestic politics.

Background reading:

After an interview with a white nationalist, Tucker Carlson has continued to fracture the right.
Marjorie Taylor Greene strove both to be the ultimate Trump warrior and to be taken seriously. She wound up in political exile.
Nick Fuentes is a white nationalist problem for the right.

Photo: Doug Mills/The New York Times

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